Broadcast options for Australian Rugby

[WorkingClassRugger]

Would be awesome if SBS could get hold of some NRC games as well.

 

[half]

SBS do a wonderful job with the sports they have.

Soccer is moving away from SBS and they have a new head so this could be the start of something very very very special.

By gees half, wouldn't that make the year great for us if someone like SBS got into rugby. I know I a kiwi and wouldn't see any kiwi games, but would be brilliant for rugby!!

This is one of those things that come along every 10 to 20 years, Rugby is on the outer with the commercial stations and a government station is having an internal war with its shown code. Soccer is leaving SBS, according to the new head of SBS sport is important to them.

The measurement SBS will be looking at is how if at all it effects other products they have. SBS IMO have the best news of all the networks we should all start watching it, as a kinda support. Also watch the game on SBS not Fox.

My guess is SBS saw a chance to do some testing and they already are heavily involved with Optus sport via the EPL and the next world cup. SBS are looking to replace soccer we could slip in there management has changed.

Get the schedule right, either a Friday or Saturday night Super game even on a one hour delay to start.

Maybe I am seeing too much in this, but the bean counters at SBS will be working overtime looking at every aspect.

Heavens someone write an article and put it on the Roar, letters to smh.

Get SBS as much glow as we can and lets hope we can get a Super match broadcast weekly.

 

[Teh Other Dave]

I've generally found SBS's sports coverage to be very good. Their treatment of the 2008 Olympics was excellent, especially in comparison to Seven's utter shite. And, of course, they picked up the 2005 Ashes series in England after the commercial networks thought it would be another Australian walkover.

 

[Dan54]

Yep well I watch the odd things on SBS anyway (and wife likes their cycling coverage), so I would be happy to watch even more SBS to support them if I thought it would help get rugby on there!!

 

[wamberal]

Yep well I watch the odd things on SBS anyway (and wife likes their cycling coverage), so I would be happy to watch even more SBS to support them if I thought it would help get rugby on there!!

Send them an email telling them that you would like more rugby. They take a lot of notice of audience feedback.

 

[TOCC]

Whilst SBS has become slightly more commercialised over the past few years, legislation still prevents it from advertising as much as other networks and purchasing certain content.

But given te international flavour of Rugby Union it shouldn't come as a surprise that they acquired the rights

 

[Lindommer]

Heavens someone write an article and put it on The Roar, letters to SMH.

Why would we need to promote another rugby blog site? G&GR is a far better place to air rugby's concerns/grievances/future than TR. The quality of the articles and writing is MUCH better here than on The Roar (don't forget they are handicapped with Spiro's contributions ).

 

[Micheal]

Why would we need to promote another rugby blog site? G&GR is a far better place to air rugby's concerns/grievances/future than TR. The quality of the articles and writing is MUCH better here than on The Roar (don't forget they are handicapped with Spiro's contributions ).

The Roar is fast-food sports journalism. Spiro should not be allowed near a keyboard for the benefit of wider society.

 

[RugbyReg]

SBS showing the Ireland game this weekend now too!

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Worth sending an email of gratitude to SBS, or facebooking or twittering them if that is your poison.

 

[wamberal]

Worth sending an email of gratitude to SBS, or facebooking or twittering them if that is your poison.

Absolutely right. These sorts of organisations pay a lot of attention to feedback.

 

[dru]

As we are all doing hypotheticals I ran one of my own. From above A League want $200M for 5 years I thought I'd use that as a pro-rata basis for comparison.

Football provides 10 teams playing over an incredible 27 week period for a total of 135 games.

If we package the games that the FTA broadcasters might be interested in - I am calling this Aus home games and Aus games in NZ. A run through the 2017 season provides for a total of 50 matches.

They break down as 7 difficult time slots in Perth, 29 games to eastern time zones and 14 in NZ time zones. The broadcaster has to cope with non-repeatable times slots - a couple of weeks have only one game in eastern time zone, week 13 has only one game to broadcast, week 16 needs 3 games in the eastern time zone. And some weeks require 4 games to be broadcast.

Something of a mess I think for a broadcaster.

But let's assume $ pro-rata match Football. 50 rugby games c/f 135 football games for $200M works out at $74M for rugby. A drop of income of nearly 50%.

Of course we could look to replicate at a reduced fee the broad cast on Foxtel, and to broadcast the rest of the Super Rugby on Foxtel for the tragics. I'm guessing it might gather another $20M?

Call it a bit under $150M drop to a bit under $100M. We lose a third of our income. Should the broadcaster wish to come on board.

And actually I think it would be worth the gamble longer term in the hope we pick up a greater fan base on FTA and can build the commercials up in time.

But how do you fund it through that recession in funds?

 

[Strewthcobber]

For anyone else wanting to do some guesstimating. Ten paid Foxtel $2.5m per year for Wallaby test matches in 2012.

Guessing that's for 3 June tours, 3 Bled matches, one SA test match and one Arg test match - though the Lions tour was in there too. The other OS test matches don't rate enough to take into account.

Wallaby matches rate much higher than any Super rugby match

http://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/rugby-switches-to-network-ten/story-fndpt9s1-1226501331457

 

[half]

Dru

I like your analysis.

You hit the nail on the head with your question, how do we survive the first say 4 to 5 years if we break from the Fox / SANDZZAR deal.

Out of left field the broadcast platform for the subscription broadcaster does not matter who it is. Optus are chasing sport see link ... http://www.afr.com/business/media-a...ith-chief-executive-allen-lew-20161111-gsn6ni


I wonder aloud if we did the unthinkable, took the current 5 Super teams, add 5 more teams. Then ran a purely domestic competition.

Optus as the subscription broadcaster and SBS as the FTA, this combination may just make the short fall difference or go some way towards it. OPtus would be the key funder in this.

With SBS now looking for a new sport, and Optus looking for content, hhhhmmmm before its too late I hope we can get in on the ground floor. We have four years left on SANDZZAR within three years if we start soon we could have this kinda package ready.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, these things only come around once every two or three decades similar in many ways to the mid 90's when we went to Super Rugby.

Also out of left field and again from the fin review, the A-League has presented bidders for the TV rights a dead line of 9 December to bid. Meaning what they get should be somewhat of a guide of what we could get if we set up in a similar fashion. Whats important with the current FFA TV negotiations is its only for the A-League and does not include most Socceroo matches. Meaning if we add our international matches and 7's to the deal we may even get more.

http://www.afr.com/business/sport/f...up-by-christmas-20161122-gsvd2h#ixzz4QnUytAZx

 

[KevinO]

Interesting article out of NZ about new laws for coverage. If it's government funded they have to show it on free to air.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11763044

 

[wamberal]

Half,


I am pretty sure that Bill Pulver would spend every waking moment thinking about all the possible options for better funding for the game.

 

[half]

Half,


I am pretty sure that Bill Pulver would spend every waking moment thinking about all the possible options for better funding for the game.

Wam

I guess you are right, my question is he thinking about staying within the existing system or a new structure.

I have almost stopped posting, and have made less than a handful over the last month or so. Having said that I do respect your opinions and thoughts.

I have become somewhat melancholy and dis-spirited, about the state of Rugby. The success of the Olympics and the response by local park committees has been almost a sole highlight.

I see many parallels between my local Epping rugby club and rugby in Australian generally. The Epping rugby club combined with Hillview after the smart decision to solve the private school / public school clash moved the local park sides to Sunday morning. Resulting in a combined Epping / Hillview having five [5] all age teams now. As the demand for public space becomes greater five teams having two fields and playing maybe half a day every third week week does not look good.

Spiro in his last smh article this week also bemoaned the current board and believes they should be fired.

I look with envy and jealously at the A-League as they ask broadcasters to help them locate their next two expansion teams. Publicly saying they will move to either 14 or 16 teams with 5 to 7 years.

I see the ARU board a Prisoner to SANDZZAR almost unwilling to look beyond SANDDAR.

Doing nothing is a mega huge risk and thats what we are doing. Right now and maybe for only a very short period of time the broadcasting media world is re-aliening. Telco's, Streaming, Twitter, Facebook, youtube, traditional FTA networks, Fox. Its all in play and our actual competitive codes are soccer, netball, basketball, surfing & V8's are all moving to establish themselves in these areas.

We sit still arguing a revenue shortfall may occur and this could effect the Wallabies.

We set up a 32 match or there about's NRC over about six months, it lacks overall support from many rugby folk and has gone from being a competition to advance promote rugby to a development competition with strange rules watched by die-hards. Compare if you want to soccer's FFA Cup which took over five years of planning and negotiation, and has a final 32 or there abouts games. Check the Wookies site and see the difference.

So yer I am sure Bill is thinking 24 hours a day, how to make SANDZZAR work better. Alias I see this as a failure of the highest order.

Melancholy and dis-spirited, is how I feel with a feeling of hopelessness to change what has been for me a long suffering want for a new path leaving me somewhat despondent.

As I said I don't post that much anymore becoming to much of a sad sack. Better to leave quietly maybe and visit occasionally.

 

[Quick Hands]

This is one of those things that come along every 10 to 20 years, Rugby is on the outer with the commercial stations and a government station is having an internal war with its shown code. Soccer is leaving SBS, according to the new head of SBS sport is important to them.

The measurement SBS will be looking at is how if at all it effects other products they have. SBS IMO have the best news of all the networks we should all start watching it, as a kinda support. Also watch the game on SBS not Fox.

My guess is SBS saw a chance to do some testing and they already are heavily involved with Optus sport via the EPL and the next world cup. SBS are looking to replace soccer we could slip in there management has changed.

Get the schedule right, either a Friday or Saturday night Super game even on a one hour delay to start.

Maybe I am seeing too much in this, but the bean counters at SBS will be working overtime looking at every aspect.

Heavens someone write an article and put it on the Roar, letters to smh.

Get SBS as much glow as we can and lets hope we can get a Super match broadcast weekly.

Aside from everything else, being on SBS gives rugby exposure to the non-anglo, non-traditional rugby audience. Essential to the future of the game IMO.

 

[wamberal]

SBS has a very limited budget. On the other hand, they are (or used to be) well aware that rugby does appeal to a significant minority - New Zealanders, and PIs particularly.


Nick Shehadie, former Wallaby, used to be their Chairman, incidentally. He is long gone unfortunately.

 

[Quick Hands]

SBS has a very limited budget. On the other hand, they are (or used to be) well aware that rugby does appeal to a significant minority - New Zealanders, and PIs particularly.


Nick Shehadie, former Wallaby, used to be their Chairman, incidentally. He is long gone unfortunately.

Not to mention countries like Italy in 6N and Kenya who are in the world 7s tour. After soccer, rugby is probably the most internationally popular team sport. As has been noted before, the only place in the world that rugby isn't going gangbusters is Australia.