Broadcast options for Australian Rugby
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PhilClinton
Tony Shaw (54)
A ‘low end player’ is only low end until they’re not.
I wonder how many players would only stick around for one season of being ‘in the pool’ before realising they’re better off testing the market overseas instead of being player 34 in a 35 man squad.
I guess it’s not much different to what the current situation is but I have a feeling players will be more likely to jump and run rather than know they might get shipped off to WA from Auckland without notice.
Wilson
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
I don't think anyone is suggesting a loan system where you could be "shipped off without notice". As has been mentioned before any sort of trade or loan system would need to be voluntary, likely under employment law in both countries as much as anything else.
As far as appeal for those players goes, it would absolutely be there - any player loaned is necessarily going to be getting more game time at the loan club and likely weren't getting any at their original club. Even if they're just looking for an overseas pay day it's likely they'll command more by actually taking the field for a season of super rugby, rather than just relying on NPC/Club form to sign a deal. I don't think there's a problem with those players then leaving OS after a year if that's what they want, but there's probably a greater chance of retention in the competition if they've been at a club that actually wants to use them.
I do think that for any sort of free player movement to work for Australia we need to get a proper 3rd tier up sooner rather than later, and ideally a few years in advance of it. The risk of player movement coming in first is that it'll hamstring efforts there and de-emphasise the immediate need for it, hurting our development pathways in the long run. Get it up and running first and the player movement can actually strengthen it, giving the players in it a larger market to speak directly to from the get go.
Adam84
Phil Kearns (64)
loans are used in other sports quite well. English Premier League do it all the time and it's agreed upon by both parties including the player.
A couple of years ago Melbourne Storm loaned Harry Grant to the West Tigers for a whole season as he was good enough to be starting in the NRL and deserved game time, but was sitting behind Cameron Smith who was in his last season before retirement.
I don't think it will be overly common, i just think it could be 'another' mechanism to improve the competitiveness of the competition, especially when those teams are in injury crisis's
A couple of years ago Melbourne Storm loaned Harry Grant to the West Tigers for a whole season as he was good enough to be starting in the NRL and deserved game time, but was sitting behind Cameron Smith who was in his last season before retirement.
I don't think it will be overly common, i just think it could be 'another' mechanism to improve the competitiveness of the competition, especially when those teams are in injury crisis's
PhilClinton
Tony Shaw (54)
Yep I get that, I was probably exaggerating a bit.
But I guess my point is that players particularly with it being a new concept for Super Rugby, don't have the mindset when they sign with a team that it's likely they could end up in a loan pool. I do worry that it's more likely the younger guys in particular who don't crack their main team's core player group and jump around a bit, might get itchy feet and look for more stability elsewhere.
Is the idea of a 'voluntary' loan system a bit of a misnomer in itself anyway? Like surely if you're a fringe player and are given the choice to sign your contract with a team and that includes a clause which says you're voluntarily entering the player pool or not get a contract at all, you're going to have to sign that deal.
Wilson
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
I don't think you can include a clause like that drops players into a loan pool with no say as to where, when or if you go when the time comes or have their contract be contingent on them being available for loans. Contract clauses would likely only cover the fact that on the agreement of both the player and team loans could be arranged under the framework as it exists, and they'd likely be standard in all contracts. From there you'd have players putting themselves as open to loans, but the players (and potentially the teams) would still get some say when a request from another team was made. Any loan would then have to come with a relocation allowance for the player as well and possibly some sort of "hardship payment".
Dismal Pillock
David Codey (61)
A draft? FFS.
LOL the Cantabs and their finely tuned Murder Academy would just love to tell their next top young blue chipper coming along the conveyer belt "yeah, we know you've dreamed of being a Crusader all your life and we've invested in you as the next Dan Carter.......... but we're so sorry Moana Pasifica have drafted you ok so sorry bye bye then."
LOL the Cantabs and their finely tuned Murder Academy would just love to tell their next top young blue chipper coming along the conveyer belt "yeah, we know you've dreamed of being a Crusader all your life and we've invested in you as the next Dan Carter.......... but we're so sorry Moana Pasifica have drafted you ok so sorry bye bye then."
zer0
John Thornett (49)
Do it. Kill Sky NZ. Take rugby from them and usher them into their end of life stage. I want to watch the light leave their eyes as they slowly gasp for breath, panicking as they realise they are unable to stem the bleeding of overpriced subscriptions to their shitty platform.
Wallaby Man
Nev Cottrell (35)
There is a few in here that don’t have the faintest idea how loaning works in other sports. The player would have to sign off on separate terms and conditions to head to another club. It’s essentially just another contract with your registration based at your primary club.
Dismal Pillock
David Codey (61)
The working relationship between NZ and
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Drew
Bob Davidson (42)
Ah, thanks. Don’t think I need to pay another subscription for that content
Adam84
Phil Kearns (64)
It’s a strange one, surely there isn’t the domestic demand to justify BeIN going it alone in Australia. They don’t really advertise or have a domestic partner for cross-promotion.
Unless there‘s something else at play here with plans of expansions or restructuring and they don’t want to lock in any contracts with local broadcasters whilst that’s occurring.
Unless there‘s something else at play here with plans of expansions or restructuring and they don’t want to lock in any contracts with local broadcasters whilst that’s occurring.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
I think trying to make sense of anything BeIN does is pointless.
PhilClinton
Tony Shaw (54)
Looks like Mitchell, Gits and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) are hosting a new rugby pod alongside ‘The Professor’ (ex-Matty John’s show segment/comedian who was pulled from the show because he’s shit).
The three former players are all genuinely good mates, so I expect the dialogue and banter to flow quite well. But I wonder how critically they’ll examine the state of the game. Their first promo for the poddy features Eddie so it looks like they might be tied in with RA itself in some way i.e. is it just a marketing exercise.
The three former players are all genuinely good mates, so I expect the dialogue and banter to flow quite well. But I wonder how critically they’ll examine the state of the game. Their first promo for the poddy features Eddie so it looks like they might be tied in with RA itself in some way i.e. is it just a marketing exercise.