Broadcast options for Australian Rugby

[Tomikin]

Na mate ,you need to make it the Mighty Nua and Ngati Porou East Coast, you only going to want amateur players in teams.

rather amateur players, then amateur administrators like NZR.

 

[half]

Dru & Hoggy

Re your posts above, its sad when captain obvious appears and key decision makers are held back with invisible golden chains, aliened with greedy and jealous self interest.

Albert Einstein said words to the effect, doing what you did before and expecting a different result is the definition of stupidity.

Without going over old ground but in one sentence, RA does not have either the working capital nor the intellect nor the connections to develop a NDC. RA should invite private people to own teams in a NDC RA create, then let private buyers run, develop and fund it.

Never has their been a better time, with as I posted, a Lions Tour and 2WC's, and get in now before Netball, Basketball gather greater public interest and before Football starts to come out of its civil war.

Hopes are fading fast as the self interest of existing unions wanting to maintain the status que IMO is code destroying. The sins of past Admins are haunting the current Mob, player quality at junior level is falling, and players heading overseas is increasing.

On the bright side we still have a great media deal well sorta of, lets not waste it.

 

[dru]

Hopes are fading fast as the self interest of existing unions wanting to maintain the status que IMO is code destroying. The sins of past Admins are haunting the current Mob, player quality at junior level is falling, and players heading overseas is increasing.

On the bright side we still have a great media deal well sorta of, lets not waste it.

Half I understand the despondency but to be honest I've never been more hopeful that RA are taking the issue seriously. There is a natural and strong push to continue Super Pacific if possible. Like you I'd be happier to simply move on. All the same as a minimum it looks like finally RA are ready to make the threat and to make it real. If we get an equitable deal out of Super Pacific I'll get behind it. If we get a domestic, well then let's go.

 

[Brumby Runner]

I think this is mis-characterised. We have two major Unions which have traditionally provided rep teams, have traditional and well established club teams, and more recently each union also has it's own franchise which have displaced the traditional rep team. Then we have have a further three franchises developed from less established Unions. I'd suggest ACT has a well developed and traditional club comp too, but they lack the population for professional expansion. The trick becomes how to integrate the NSW and Qld provincial teams to create new franchises under the two major unions. Melbourne and WA have club comps but not currently at the level of NSW and Qld.

Qld clubs demonstrated a lack of interest for development of new professional teams at the establishment of the NRC. But Qld as a union showed it had the drive and strength needed to pull the Provincial clubs behind two new teams that were organised and managed by the Union itself. That will work to grow from 5 to 6 Domestic pro teams

It seemed to me that NSWRU at the development of the NRC buried their head in the sand to let the Clubs resolve themselves through self negotiated partnerships and other arrangements. To be fair the competition initiation was rushed and with better preparation could be handled with a lot more finesse by RU. And while the implementation was poor in terms of establishing teams with longevity and competitiveness, the club scene still managed to provide a number teams with aspirations in the new comp. It's a different political problem, but one with more promise (in terms of team numbers) if issues can be resolved. That will work (or should do with effort) to grow from 6 to 9 teams. The politics is no harder for two teams than it is for three. In some ways three might be easier as it offers more opportunity for SRU club aspirations.

Both WA and Melbourne I imagine would morph into new arrangements pretty well. ACT is a different matter. There seems to be insufficient population base for a fan base that can manage two professional teams. But the Brumbies could not be left at their current strength if a new comp was to have any chance at reasonably equitable competition. Some form of player movement would be necessary.

Also, don't forget Fiji. Thereby the comp grows to 10.

There are warts all over it to be sure, but so does sticking it out with the Kiwis.

Dru, Isn't one of the three NSW sides already included in you first 6 teams? If so, then only increases to 8, not 9.

 

[dru]

Dru, Isn't one of the three NSW sides already included in you first 6 teams? If so, then only increases to 8, not 9.

Thanks and yes. You'd never guess I'm studying math. Or maybe you would, plenty more study rqd.

 

[half]

Half I understand the despondency but to be honest I've never been more hopeful that Rugby Australia are taking the issue seriously. There is a natural and strong push to continue Super Pacific if possible. Like you I'd be happier to simply move on. All the same as a minimum it looks like finally Rugby Australia are ready to make the threat and to make it real. If we get an equitable deal out of Super Pacific I'll get behind it. If we get a domestic, well then let's go.

Dru

Some random observations, its mixed but that we need to change models to increase broadcast revenue in the longer term is IMO without question.

Key issues, media broadcast will be essential for future growth, as will other revenue. We are in competition with other second tier sports V8 super Cars, Football, arguable Netball & Basketball. We need to stay ahead of the game.

The Good

• The current RA administration IMO is best I have ever seen and I believe they are searching for solutions.
• A good media deal.
• The mood has changed considerably and still changing towards a NDC
• More people are understanding NZ is far more concerned about NZ rugby than Australian rugby.
• Our Australian media partners want a NDC more than Super Rugby.

The undecided thinking issues.

• Private equity good / bad.
• Will a NDC work.
• Does ND mean all states

The Bad

• Finding quality players with falling junior numbers and falling junior quality, add players heading overseas.
• Many people fixed on solving the issues using existing platforms and systems.
• Lack of quality management and systems below Super Rugby.
• Lack of ideas being put forward.
• Existing unions and powerful stakeholders trying to protect their existing positions.

 

[Clubhouse coach]

Some goods points Half, if we were to add another Australian team plus the Drua playing each other twice it would work out to forty two games before the finals compared to twenty games in the original Super Rugby AU.
An extra twenty two games to sell to Stan.

 

[half]

Some goods points Half, if we were to add another Australian team plus the Drua playing each other twice it would work out to forty two games before the finals compared to twenty games in the original Super Rugby AU.
An extra twenty two games to sell to Stan.

Astute point CC re extra games. We all know this but just to highlight, your point of the need to add extra games.

AFL 23 rounds * 9 games = 207 games @ 3hrs each plus finals, plus 198 AFLW matches

NRL 25 rounds * 8 games = 200 games @ 2hrs each plus finals, plus ???? WRL

A-L 26 rounds * 6 games = 156 games @ 2hrs each plus finals, plus broadcast Club Cup matches 32 matches. plus 72 W-L matches

Summary

AFL Men's 207 plus finals , plus Women's 198 plus finals = 405 matches of different QLTY plus finals.
NRL Men's 200 plus finals, plus Women's, Plus SOO 3, plus Women's ???? I think = 203 plus finals
A-L Men 156 + 32 plus finals, plus Women's 72 W-l matches plus finals = 260 matches of diffident QLTY plus finals.

Super Rugby has 91 matches of which half are broadcast from NZ

Conclusion

CC you are spot on, the number of games offered to broadcasters is important.

 

[qwerty51]

More teams = more local content x more pro contracts. Simple isn't it

 

[Rebel man]

Astute point CC re extra games. We all know this but just to highlight, your point of the need to add extra games.

AFL 23 rounds * 9 games = 207 games @ 3hrs each plus finals, plus 198 AFLW matches

NRL 25 rounds * 8 games = 200 games @ 2hrs each plus finals, plus ???? WRL

A-L 26 rounds * 6 games = 156 games @ 2hrs each plus finals, plus broadcast Club Cup matches 32 matches. plus 72 W-L matches

Summary

AFL Men's 207 plus finals , plus Women's 198 plus finals = 405 matches of different QLTY plus finals.
NRL Men's 200 plus finals, plus Women's, Plus SOO 3, plus Women's ???? I think = 203 plus finals
A-L Men 156 + 32 plus finals, plus Women's 72 W-l matches plus finals = 260 matches of diffident QLTY plus finals.

Super Rugby has 91 matches of which half are broadcast from NZ

Conclusion

CC you are spot on, the number of games offered to broadcasters is important.

No way there 198 AFLW games. 10 rounds of 9 games, not sure how you get 198.

 

[half]

No way there 198 AFLW games. 10 rounds of 9 games, not sure how you get 198.

last time I trust the site I used it said 18 teams and 22 rounds maybe that were they wanta be, I actually don't watch any AFL or pay much attention to it other than there management. So took the figure at face value.

 

[Rebel man]

I’ll

last time I trust the site I used it said 18 teams and 22 rounds maybe that were they wanta be, I actually don't watch any AFL or pay much attention to it other than there management. So took the figure at face value.

The AFL is 18 teams with 22 games each the womens is 18 teams playing 10 games each

 

[Adam84]

More teams = more local content x more pro contracts. Simple isn't it

Theres a fine balance as the A-League is discovering, no this isn’t a COVID lockdown match, it was the local Melbourne derby between Macarthur and Western United last night.

 

[Tomikin]

More teams = more local content x more pro contracts. Simple isn't it

I think people miss this, the reason we are losing the battle is we don't have the pro contracts for players. We either ditch the kiwis add more teams more contracts bigger pool to select from more talent to get on the field. If we keep the kiwis we need us and them to pick from anywhere in the comp for rep footy. We then hopefully have more pro spots open up... Although we may end up being swollowed by the kiwis....

 

[Members Section]

Theres a fine balance as the A-League is discovering, no this isn’t a COVID lockdown match, it was the local Melbourne derby between Macarthur and Western United last night.

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Macarthur arnt a melb team & its def not a derby

 

[Adam84]

Macarthur arnt a melb team & its def not a derby

Apologies for my lack of knwoedlge on A League teams. Anyway, same issue; poor attendance for expansion teams. Quantity Vs quality is a fine line.

I’d say 8-10 is a healthy range for a domestic Australia rugby tournament in the short to medium term

 

[Members Section]

Apologies for my lack of knwoedlge on A League teams. Anyway, same issue; poor attendance for expansion teams. Quantity Vs quality is a fine line.

I’d say 8-10 is a healthy range for a domestic Australia rugby tournament in the short to medium term

8 would be perfect for us 7 + the Drua

 

[Dan54]

• More people are understanding NZ is far more concerned about NZ rugby than Australian rugby.
• Our Australian media partners want a NDC more than Super Rugby.

Couple of points there half, I would absolutely bloody expect NZR is more concerned with NZ rugby than Australian rugby,and vise versa, the clue is in the name NZR and RA.

And I genuinely think if media partners are want a NDC more than Super, the RA is crazy even discussing super with NZR, obviously there would be more money going alone, and RA's first and foremost job is to look after Australian rugby. If they not taking the options the bill payers want, you really need a new administration quite quickly, so you can get deal that media want, and hopefully get a better deal from them.

 

[Dan54]

Apologies for my lack of knwoedlge on A League teams. Anyway, same issue; poor attendance for expansion teams. Quantity Vs quality is a fine line.

I’d say 8-10 is a healthy range for a domestic Australia rugby tournament in the short to medium term

Think A leagues biggest problem is all Australia's and NZ's best players are based overseas and don't play in it, sure way to kill a comp. Though to be fair Adam, I know very little about it and expansion teams etc.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Think A leagues biggest problem is all Australia's and NZ's best players are based overseas and don't play in it, sure way to kill a comp. Though to be fair Adam, I know very little about it and expansion teams etc.

The A-League suffers from something we thankfully do not. That being several significantly higher profile and higher quality leagues established over decades. As you say, if you're good enough to play in one of those leagues it's a no brainer. You go. Just from a development stand point the opportunities are night and day. And Soccer fans are acutely aware of this. Even with Super Rugby decline it is still one of the Big 4/5. And with the right structure in place we could still develop a leading league structure here.