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Ken Catchpole (46)
The time for throwing shade on league players for being dumb is well past tbh. Off field behaviour aside, they take their craft seriously and prepare for the work they have chosen.
Bledisloe 2. Eden Park, 24th Sept 7.05pm NZT. 5.05 pm AEST, 3.05 WA
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Peter Johnson (47)
No, I'm not but things get missed in rugby matches and it happens when you are being hammered, never understood why but we see it all the time. Poor teams are discriminated against subliminally and it has serious impacts. Let me know how you are going to fix it?
This ref wasn't bad but I think he was let down by his linesmen ( can't call them assistants as they miss so much).
Last week many were asking for the TMO not to be so involved and this week "where was the TMO?".
Kenny Powers
Ron Walden (29)
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
That was really hard to take. Quite a few of the players did not perform to the required level, at least in some aspects of their games. In particular,
i) all three wingers (Koroibete, Wright and Petaia) were so far off the pace as to be liabilities. MK due to injury (I believe), and both Wright and Petaia just because they don't have what it takes. But who are their replacements?
ii) Bernard Foley tonight was back to his worst level, failing to make his tackles, poor handling and little game management.
iii) Jake Gordon just doesn't cut it at test level. Has the most inaccurate kicking game of all the No 9s.
iv) Harry Wilson is not a test level No 8. I believe he could make it at No 6 with instruction to hit the blind side in attack, but he does not have impact through the middle. The experiment with Valetini at No 6 was an out and out failure.
v) Neither Neville nor Holloway had sufficient impact in the second row.
vi) Porecki is no better, maybe not as good as FF (Folau Fainga'a). Has issues with his lineout throwing and not the impact in general play.
vii) Angus Bell still has issues at scrum time. Some excellent touches in general play but conceding multiple penalties in scrums places the team under a lot of pressure.
viii) James Slipper looks like he needs a fairly long rest - like Koroibete.
The good were :
Pete Samu again had a rousing game at No 7.
Reece Hodge was good off the bench (apart from one penalty that failed to find touch). Ran hard and kicked long, threatened the defensive line.
Valetini was better than most but not as effective as in previous games. AAA was solid.
The rest were fair to adequate.
As a team, completely outplayed, outmuscled and outthought by the ABs.
As for the officiating. I am at the point of not bothering about any games we play the All Blacks. When out and out dangerous play by the ABs is allowed without any action by the officials, there is ample reason to question why they continually get away with it. What I now suspect is that playing NZ as often as we do is the main reason we are sliding down the world rankings. Wouldn't mind that so much if we were being beaten consistently by fair play, but it is blindingly obvious that those in black are not held to the same level of accountability as the unfortunate sides opposing them. I have to say I would be more than pleased if we didn't face NZ at all between RWCs. Let some other poor foolish teams have that privilege. Like Ireland and France, if we play them less we are more likely to start climbing back up the world ladder and maybe even reach a level that we could do them over in out infrequent meetings.
Now looking forward to the EOYT and wondering where the coaches go in respect of team changes.
i) all three wingers (Koroibete, Wright and Petaia) were so far off the pace as to be liabilities. MK due to injury (I believe), and both Wright and Petaia just because they don't have what it takes. But who are their replacements?
ii) Bernard Foley tonight was back to his worst level, failing to make his tackles, poor handling and little game management.
iii) Jake Gordon just doesn't cut it at test level. Has the most inaccurate kicking game of all the No 9s.
iv) Harry Wilson is not a test level No 8. I believe he could make it at No 6 with instruction to hit the blind side in attack, but he does not have impact through the middle. The experiment with Valetini at No 6 was an out and out failure.
v) Neither Neville nor Holloway had sufficient impact in the second row.
vi) Porecki is no better, maybe not as good as FF (Folau Fainga'a). Has issues with his lineout throwing and not the impact in general play.
vii) Angus Bell still has issues at scrum time. Some excellent touches in general play but conceding multiple penalties in scrums places the team under a lot of pressure.
viii) James Slipper looks like he needs a fairly long rest - like Koroibete.
The good were :
Pete Samu again had a rousing game at No 7.
Reece Hodge was good off the bench (apart from one penalty that failed to find touch). Ran hard and kicked long, threatened the defensive line.
Valetini was better than most but not as effective as in previous games. AAA was solid.
The rest were fair to adequate.
As a team, completely outplayed, outmuscled and outthought by the ABs.
As for the officiating. I am at the point of not bothering about any games we play the All Blacks. When out and out dangerous play by the ABs is allowed without any action by the officials, there is ample reason to question why they continually get away with it. What I now suspect is that playing NZ as often as we do is the main reason we are sliding down the world rankings. Wouldn't mind that so much if we were being beaten consistently by fair play, but it is blindingly obvious that those in black are not held to the same level of accountability as the unfortunate sides opposing them. I have to say I would be more than pleased if we didn't face NZ at all between RWCs. Let some other poor foolish teams have that privilege. Like Ireland and France, if we play them less we are more likely to start climbing back up the world ladder and maybe even reach a level that we could do them over in out infrequent meetings.
Now looking forward to the EOYT and wondering where the coaches go in respect of team changes.
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Geoff Shaw (53)
Sorry - my point was that it’s not hard. The contest in rugby is far far more appealing to me
The Red Baron
Chilla Wilson (44)
Both things can be right though. While it's clear that our top tier players are getting to that level without the required fundamentals, there is also an obvious consistency issue with refereeing in world rugby.
Kenny Powers
Ron Walden (29)
Have to agree with this well credentialed coaches in Deans, Chekia and Rennie with success elsewhere.
Just don’t have mentally hardened players who have had to fight there way thru to the senior levels. There is a lot be said for the mental toughness gained from a 15 year veteran absolutely giving it to you in your first season out school. You either harden up or Darwinian evolutionary theory takes over. There is no HR Department or Inclusion Officers in Rugby.
We invest in schoolboys based on performances against those under 18. Worse still when the investment doesn’t pay off Rugby Australia doubles down.
Shiggins
Simon Poidevin (60)
Just proving a point that union is dying if not dead. I love the game and tune in every week to be disappointed by the crap that happens but most people don't anymore.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
This 100%.
dru
David Wilson (68)
Sitting here behind you Shiggins.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Yeah, the guy who beats women should have seen a card...
The ref remonstrating with White for what should have been another blatantly carded offence was trying to watch from that moment... regardless of the result.
On the positive side... at least we're not the team that accepts players who beat women.
The ref remonstrating with White for what should have been another blatantly carded offence was trying to watch from that moment... regardless of the result.
On the positive side... at least we're not the team that accepts players who beat women.
dru
David Wilson (68)
Understood. But you know, this time. Honest, we are #9. And dropping. Is it enough to get your excitement up for the next rugby test? I'm much closer this year to thinking there is an answer that is not yes. Just FAR closer to thinking my interest is rugby could be handled differently.
I'm done with the Wallaby "discipline". Completely. You guys wearing the gold jersey, as judged by the world of rugby referees, you attempt to cheat. Or you are thugs. And the refs aren't having it. You've had fucking years to work this out. Years.
Talk about slow learners.
From my side, I'm also learning slowly. I've supported this shit show for years. No, decades. What happens next? No idea. But I'm never again giving the green and gold the benefit of the doubt in a lop-sided penalty count.
Sort your shit out Wallabies. Just sort it out.
Rob42
Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Well, the Wallabies outperformed my prediction. Doesn’t make it feel any better. Ardie didn’t need to have a huge game.
Equalizer
Trevor Allan (34)
If only in 2002 we had the foresight to interbreed our best athletes and produce some athletically gifted offspring interested in playing rugby. That would be paying dividends for us right now! That would be a PLAN! Instead Rugby Australia has spent the past 20 years trying to achieve their 5 year plan from 15 years ago. They've almost nailed it!
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
Is this Wallaby side uncoachable? They sure play like they are at times.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
White has been poor too and Ref's absolutely hate him. Surely the refs are at least subconsciously wanting to officiate against us since half our players whinge to them so much. Nic White seems to be the leader in that department.
When is the last time we had a Captain who actually knows how to talk to a ref without pissing them off?
Time to give Tate a start.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
The wallabies of the last 15 years have been uncoachable.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
?? Why do I justify or otherwise supposed head hits etc. I merely said I was leaving opinions on how test went until later .whem everyone had calmed down a bit, and somehow it got to I was justifying something
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