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Greg Davis (50)
What on earth do you mean? Folau has the highest strike rate for defenders beaten in world rugby.
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What on earth do you mean? Folau has the highest strike rate for defenders beaten in world rugby.
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Mark Ella (57)
Looking at that image Kepu was just plain unlikely to be the one that Smith ran at. Bet lefty that any other Wallaby would have reacted the same way. Nice line though.Just watching some highlights now, I think Smith did *just* enough to kick it.But he's way in front of Barnes's mark, and that's another thing that should be very heavily policed at a quick tap.Edit - corrected in response to a question below. Got to give the defence a fair crack at getting back (which none of the Wallabies did - and I think a penalty try would have been justified if Barnes accepted the penalty taken off the mark)
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Simon Poidevin (60)
All onside by the time Kepu/Moore make the tackle from off side positions, and nobody was obstructed so don't think there's too much of a defence case to be made there. Don't think even AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) ever made it back to the tryline, so literally every Australian is offside.
7 minutes of highlights here if anyone else want to get into the micro-analysis fun
https://streamable.com/vru6
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Mark Ella (57)
Now from that clip, Moore could have been the one to get binned.
All onside by the time Kepu/Moore make the tackle from off side positions, and nobody was obstructed so don't think there's too much of a defence case to be made there. Don't think even AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) ever made it back to the tryline, so literally every Australian is offside.
7 minutes of highlights here if anyone else want to get into the micro-analysis fun
https://streamable.com/vru6
Still haven't seen Smith "kick" the ball. In fact looking at the highlights video, the ball didn't leave his hands. So maybe that had an effect on the no penalty try decision, because Smith committed the first offence and it would have been a scrum to Oz?
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
How can it be a yellow card, then? the ball wasnt live
Did Conrad Smith release the ball in the Phipps binning incident?
Groucho
Greg Davis (50)
I'm not sure where you're going with this.
You want me to find links that say that Folau beats more defenders than anyone else in world rugby? Funnily enough, I know a site that probably keeps that precise statistic, across the provincial comps and tests.
Before I cheat by looking, it seems a bet is called for.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I'm not going anywhere with this and Im not betting anything with you.
I think that the extent of cross field running in the oz backline is a big problem there is one phase then they are so deep and running so much across field that although they were "beating tackles" they were stopped 7-10m behind the gain line.
Relying on the fact that we beat an off song, and possibly worse, AB's should not be allowed to obscure structural problems in the team. That will be fatal with a better AB's team playing better.
The solution is To'omua at 10, IMO. In that environment Folau is not merely adding to the problem. Put Beale, Foley and IF together and you have the stop start Tahs of 2015.
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Mark Ella (57)
Where the ref' blows his/her whistle is not usually where the offence occurred.
It annoys me when the ball-carrier (often the 9) runs to the ref' and expects to play (the player should know the Laws of the Game).
Groucho
Greg Davis (50)
I agree that someone is needed to straighten the attack.
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Whilst the Wallabies did well, that was one of the worst All Blacks performances In years, some of those errors were caused by pressure from the Wallabies, but some were also uncharacteristic unforced errors.
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David Wilson (68)
Gee, none of the Kiwis that I was talking to at club rugby this morning thought the ABs played badly.
I think we tend to underestimate the effect of the Wallabies' aggression and breakdown work on how the All Blacks played.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I think the first 15 mins took the AB's by surprise.
We pumped them in a scrum and there was some very effective as well as hard defence.
As cyclo says we shouldn't underestimate the effect that had.
Cheika and Larkham lined up with the players for the anthems: ok so Larkham did it for real x number of times but Cheika's sheer love of the game and passion is rubbing off on these blokes, I think.
Keep the passion, work on the rough bits, find our best combos (which are not the ones I was thinking) and the trend is upward: that's something I haven't thought for a while.
Eden Park is another story.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
How good was it to see our blokes (I think AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and Mitchell were the main chargers) attempt to pressure Carter's conversion attempts?
The pressure was responsible for at least 2 failed conversions. Larkham has been giving them some guidance it seems
The pressure was responsible for at least 2 failed conversions. Larkham has been giving them some guidance it seems
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Nev Cottrell (35)
Just finished reading 40 plus pages of comments and also attended the game. Some observations:
1. Always rated Wayne Barnes as the Northern Hemisphere's best ref. Sadly he's lost it and heaven help those who fall under his whistle in the RWC.
2. We gave away a heap of weight in the scrum but technique prevailed. Bravo Mario Ledesma. I've rarely seen a Wallabies front row so low and stable.
3. Yeah Phipps didn't have the best of games but he's generally consistently
good and does so much more off the ball than Genia or White. White took his chances and we benefitted from it but his record of brain fart moments is not forgotten. Like him as a finisher.
4. Really like how Cheika has instilled in the bench that they're finishers and not reserves and so much is expected of them.
5. Hooper's tackling technique is outstanding as is his footwork, work ethic and ball carrying. The Sea Eagles must be wondering how they missed out on him. FFS will we ever see a better tackle on Savea?
6. Don't understand why Mumm got so much game time. He is the teams poorest ball carrier and didn't get us over the advantage line once. Understand Cheika's predicament with Simmons, Carter and Douglas unavailable but would have got McCalman on earlier. Surely he's big enough too to be a sub lock.
7. Giteau has been excellent in both his games and I can see why he is "Cheika type" player. He'll give us plenty of plusses in the RWC,
7. izzy is really starting to mature into his role and didn't appear flustered at all last night. Is going to be massive for us in RWC.
8. Mitchell impressed. Sure he may not have the speed of 10 years ago but his ability to involve himself in the game from the wing rather than waiting for the ball to come to him is a massive bonus. Good left boot as well.
9. The AB's still have a great set of backs although Carter was far from (past?) his best. Their forwards though are getting old.
10. All international rugby refs please take note when reffing the AB's: the rule for all defensive lines is "behind the last feet" and cut out the shit they have been doing for decades obstructing and interfering with the defence past the ruck defence and just generally getting in the way at the breakdown. Just hate the shit they seem to get a green card to get away with.
10. KB (Kurtley Beale) has found his rightful place. On for the last 15-20mins to torment the hell out of the defence but not long enough to do too much collateral damage.
11. Very impressed with the players subdued celebration of winning the Four Nations. Didn't see a trophy lifted overhead- Great to see they know the job's not yet done.
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1. Always rated Wayne Barnes as the Northern Hemisphere's best ref. Sadly he's lost it and heaven help those who fall under his whistle in the RWC.
2. We gave away a heap of weight in the scrum but technique prevailed. Bravo Mario Ledesma. I've rarely seen a Wallabies front row so low and stable.
3. Yeah Phipps didn't have the best of games but he's generally consistently
good and does so much more off the ball than Genia or White. White took his chances and we benefitted from it but his record of brain fart moments is not forgotten. Like him as a finisher.
4. Really like how Cheika has instilled in the bench that they're finishers and not reserves and so much is expected of them.
5. Hooper's tackling technique is outstanding as is his footwork, work ethic and ball carrying. The Sea Eagles must be wondering how they missed out on him. FFS will we ever see a better tackle on Savea?
6. Don't understand why Mumm got so much game time. He is the teams poorest ball carrier and didn't get us over the advantage line once. Understand Cheika's predicament with Simmons, Carter and Douglas unavailable but would have got McCalman on earlier. Surely he's big enough too to be a sub lock.
7. Giteau has been excellent in both his games and I can see why he is "Cheika type" player. He'll give us plenty of plusses in the RWC,
7. izzy is really starting to mature into his role and didn't appear flustered at all last night. Is going to be massive for us in RWC.
8. Mitchell impressed. Sure he may not have the speed of 10 years ago but his ability to involve himself in the game from the wing rather than waiting for the ball to come to him is a massive bonus. Good left boot as well.
9. The AB's still have a great set of backs although Carter was far from (past?) his best. Their forwards though are getting old.
10. All international rugby refs please take note when reffing the AB's: the rule for all defensive lines is "behind the last feet" and cut out the shit they have been doing for decades obstructing and interfering with the defence past the ruck defence and just generally getting in the way at the breakdown. Just hate the shit they seem to get a green card to get away with.
10. KB (Kurtley Beale) has found his rightful place. On for the last 15-20mins to torment the hell out of the defence but not long enough to do too much collateral damage.
11. Very impressed with the players subdued celebration of winning the Four Nations. Didn't see a trophy lifted overhead- Great to see they know the job's not yet done.
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Re: Mumm - the work in the scrum was excellent from the tight 5, particularly notable on the overhead cam that the FR and the Super Rugby were straight most of the time. Chucking McCalman at sub lock, where he does not play, goes against what Ledesma is trying to do - his mantra is "Straight and Tight" and it needs the right (read - "trained for it") bodies to do it. I agree Mumm's carries were not as dynamic as we'd all like, but he got through a lot of ruck work (see the stats produced by Force Fan earlier). I think Cheika knows what he is getting from Mumm, and it might not be exactly what some of us think he should be doing.
Re: Mumm - the work in the scrum was excellent from the tight 5, particularly notable on the overhead cam that the FR and the Super Rugby were straight most of the time. Chucking McCalman at sub lock, where he does not play, goes against what Ledesma is trying to do - his mantra is "Straight and Tight" and it needs the right (read - "trained for it") bodies to do it. I agree Mumm's carries were not as dynamic as we'd all like, but he got through a lot of ruck work (see the stats produced by Force Fan earlier). I think Cheika knows what he is getting from Mumm, and it might not be exactly what some of us think he should be doing.
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John Eales (66)
I loved that too and remarked on it before kick off. I don't think I've ever seen a coach down there with the players when the anthems are on. I predict he's going to have these lads running through bricks walls before the year is out. A bit like he was as a player really.
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