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I don't actually think they will select him. Just using the forum to voice my opinion that he's crap
Beale at 10
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I don't actually think they will select him. Just using the forum to voice my opinion that he's crap
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Mark Ella (57)
You would of found the Quade Cooper stratagy. I'm not being a smart arse in saying that, I think it could realy work for the Tahs. Start Turner at 15 and have him defend in the line on defence. Beale is a shit load more confident than last time he played ten so I think he will shine this time.
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John Eales (66)
It will do KB (Kurtley Beale)'s fullback game no harm to play at flyhalf for a couple of weeks. The 10 is the natural protagonist of the 15 in his kicking game and so it will be good to get a refresher in what the 10 does. His defensive positioning at 15 will benefit.
Hopefully it will improve his tactical kicking as a fullback also, as some of that recently has been poor. I hope that if he is to play 10 that Hickey shows him a few clips of ROG's tactical kicking - but not too many of them.
Also, some of his passing has deteriorated and especially when he finds himself at the base of a ruck and has to dish it. Flyhalf passing will help that.
The thing I want to see him do most as a 10 is directing the backline and not relying on his individual brilliance too much. In that respect, watching Carter's play at Twickenham yesterday will be time well spent, especially the smoothness of his actions and the quiet yet constant quest of making his team mates look better than they are.
KB (Kurtley Beale) can be jerky and unsympathetic: doing things just too late when an individual thing is not working, which makes him hard to read for team mates and to do stuff in time so they can shine - if they haven't dropped the unexpected ball already.
Also, I would be interested in how he can defend in high traffic areas with backrowers, especially, coming right at him. Several goal line efforts in the last 12 months would indicate that he will go OK, but let's see.
[Not to the point but coaches of 13-14 year old kids should make their 10s and 15s swap sometimes to improve their play in their regular positions.]
Hopefully it will improve his tactical kicking as a fullback also, as some of that recently has been poor. I hope that if he is to play 10 that Hickey shows him a few clips of ROG's tactical kicking - but not too many of them.
Also, some of his passing has deteriorated and especially when he finds himself at the base of a ruck and has to dish it. Flyhalf passing will help that.
The thing I want to see him do most as a 10 is directing the backline and not relying on his individual brilliance too much. In that respect, watching Carter's play at Twickenham yesterday will be time well spent, especially the smoothness of his actions and the quiet yet constant quest of making his team mates look better than they are.
KB (Kurtley Beale) can be jerky and unsympathetic: doing things just too late when an individual thing is not working, which makes him hard to read for team mates and to do stuff in time so they can shine - if they haven't dropped the unexpected ball already.
Also, I would be interested in how he can defend in high traffic areas with backrowers, especially, coming right at him. Several goal line efforts in the last 12 months would indicate that he will go OK, but let's see.
[Not to the point but coaches of 13-14 year old kids should make their 10s and 15s swap sometimes to improve their play in their regular positions.]
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
So if KB (Kurtley Beale) lights it up at 10 for the Tahs, do you think Deans would dare move him there for the Wobs? Not saying I want this to happen, because his last 12 months at fullback have been absolutely world class. This kind of move might make QC (Quade Cooper) lift his defensive game a bit.
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Linus
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Definately the best option while BB is out, I hope he finds the balance of Kick/pass/run. I think he kicks (as noted, grubbers, chips, dribblers......etc) and runs well and needs to show he can bend and break a set defensive line. Look out if the piggies let him play on the front foot, I think I have him captain of my fantasy team. I need the help.
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tranquility
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Not to be rude, but put simply - no.
Bullrush
Geoff Shaw (53)
I've been saying that KB (Kurtley Beale) has the skills to be the best 10 in Australia for a while now and while he may also be the best FB, I personally think that playing KB (Kurtley Beale) at 10 and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 15 is a better proposition than QC (Quade Cooper) at 10 and KB (Kurtley Beale) at 15
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
I personally still like KB (Kurtley Beale) at fullback because of the mayhem he causes opposition defences from that position. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) I think is more of a centre than a fullback and besides, the depth isn't there in that position right now.
Bullrush
Geoff Shaw (53)
If I was an Aussie, I'd like KB (Kurtley Beale) at 15 too......if he wasn't possibly the best choice at 10. I reckon you want your best player to have the ball in his hands as much as possible and as someone who isn't a Wallaby supporter, I'm much happier with seeing QC (Quade Cooper) starting at 10 than I would be with KB (Kurtley Beale).
While QC (Quade Cooper) is a great offensive option, I don't think there is a lot more he offers than KB (Kurtley Beale) does. I think KB (Kurtley Beale) has the maturity now that will make him even more dangerous and obviously.......he tackles.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
It's a strong argument, no doubt. I think it'll be a straight shoot out this S15 season between QC (Quade Cooper) and the other contenders. If the Reds go well and Quade along with them, then he's the Wallaby 10. If not, then I think the field opens up considerably.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
How's that Reddy?
vidiot
John Solomon (38)
We tried that with giteau. To give QC (Quade Cooper) his due, he has demonstrated form taking and making opportunities for his backline. Vision and accurate long passing. KB (Kurtley Beale) is brilliant - but different brilliant. QC (Quade Cooper) + KB (Kurtley Beale) is, when the pack is on the front foot, very destructive.
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Bob Davidson (42)
Don't agree, otherwise Billy Slater and Matt Bowen would be there for their respective NRL sides.
I don't think league is that different from union in that in both codes you put your best playmaker in the primary playmaker role. If you don't have a playmaker then you put your best player there so he can get his hands on the ball as often as possible.
Bullrush
Geoff Shaw (53)
Really?? I thought it was any game.
How often did the Bulls get the ball in Jordan's hands? The Cowboys to Emmit Smith? Man U to Rooney?
But it's not about KB (Kurtley Beale) being the best attacking player IMO.....he's got the best balance of skills there and if I had to choose between having the best 10 in the world or the best 15 in my run-on, I'd take the best 10 every day of the week because their ability to influence the game is so much more.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
I guess we are about to find out who is the best 10 in the country: Cooper, Beale or O'Connor. My money is still on Cooper, but if Beale were to absolutely flay all others, I could certainly live with him being Wallaby 10. Fullback then becomes a bit of an issue however.
I will say this about 10 though: it's not just about attacking flair. It's also about game management, cleaning up scrappy ball from your pack or half back, play calling, defence, tactical kicking, defensive alignment and a bunch of other things.
I will say this about 10 though: it's not just about attacking flair. It's also about game management, cleaning up scrappy ball from your pack or half back, play calling, defence, tactical kicking, defensive alignment and a bunch of other things.
Today, Beale is the most successful Aus 10 playing Super rugby. We sometimes forget he directed the Tahs to a Super 14 final from 10 straight out of school. (and they were right in that game until Beale got injured)
But I like him at 15 because he plays as an alternate 10 on attack and as an excellent counter attack option in defense (a lot like Leon McDonald did for the Crusaders).
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