Beale and Cooper in boozy incident

[Slim 293]

What other incidents have there been? There are so few incidents like this in rugby, that when something does happen, it is blown way the fuck out of proportion, honestly. And I'm not even exaggerating. When they start reporting Quade is given head for $10 in Queen Street Mall at lunch time on a wednesday afternoon, then you have a point. Otherwise I have no problem with Beale reacting to some drunk bloke calling him a nigger.

It's like your boss saying "Oh btw mate, when you go home after work tonight, go straight to bed, don't enjoy dinner or watch a movie because you need to be tip top for work tomorrow". It's just not realistic, and not to mention bullshit.

If my boss was the ARU, and I was being paid an enormous amount of money to be a public image for their brand........ AND probably have conditions in my contract in regards to my public conduct.......

Then, yes....... it is quite realistic, and hardly bullshit.

The fact is, these guys should know better. Particularly with their history.

 

[Scotty]

That is an extremely great point and it is true, while he pays me $50k per year then I say fuck you its my time and I will do what I want.

If he offers me between $500k and $1m a year then I will do as I am told

Not when you have the talent and proven hardwork to get the same pay from another employer.

The sum isn't important it is your relative value that is.

 

[Scotty]

If my boss was the ARU, and I was being paid an enormous amount of money to be a public image for their brand.... AND probably have conditions in my contract in regards to my public conduct...

Then, yes... it is quite realistic, and hardly bullshit.

The fact is, these guys should know better. Particularly with their history.

Only one guy has been mentioned as doing anything wrong here.

 

[Slim 293]

Has it been mentioned yet that Beale has been charged with assault?

But apparently he'll still be available for Wallaby and Super Rugby.......

 

[Scarfman]

Scotty, Quade smashed a camera, keep up.

I think in cases like this, the ARU has to run an investigation alongside the police investigation. There is a criminal matter, which the courts will decide, and there is a behaviour matter which the ARU will decide. If we see Kurtley in gold, then I hope it means that the ARU are satisfied with his conduct.

 

[Slim 293]

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Wallaby Beale charged with assault in hotel scuffle​

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June 17, 2012​

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WALLABIES five-eighth Kurtley Beale will face one count of common assault following an alleged scuffle at a Brisbane hotel. This followed Beale and teammate Quade Cooper being refused entry at the Victory Hotel in the early hours of the morning before the first Australia-Wales Test.​

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The Australian Rugby Union, told of the common assault charge by Queensland Police yesterday, halted its disciplinary process relating to Beale until the police matter is resolved. Beale remains available for Super Rugby and the Wallabies. No action is expected to be taken regarding Cooper's involvement that night.​

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Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...tel-scuffle-20120616-20h2e.html#ixzz1y07FY4Dw​

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[waratahjesus]

I said this a while back when quade did something else. I know there Is now a legal matter and so forth so they can't speak about certain things but I still fail to see both quake and kurtley who have been accused of this behavior befor of taking any responsibility.

A simple, "it probably wasn't a good idea to be out that late" or "we put ourselves in jeopardy and take responsibility for what occurred" would fill me with so much more confidence in them. Everytime it's someone else's fault, If there targets Of drunks at 2am then the smart thing to be is not around drunks or occompanied by a sober friend.

They are Teflon, lesser players would be made an example of in a much quicker fashion.

 

[FANATIC]

Criminal charges. This reflects badly on the Jersey and rugby and needs to be taken very seriously by all involved, especially the players.
I fear this sign of extremely unprofessional behavior reflects on the individuals maturity. This appears to be an ongoing flaw with one and maybe the other.
Test rugby is not super rugby and demands a higher commitment at a deep personal level. This is simply not possible without a disciplined commitment to your own personal development. This includes emotional development.
IMHO QC (Quade Cooper) is a child, say, when compared to others. For example; Could you imaging QC (Quade Cooper) fully supporting his wife having a baby and less than 24hours later having the emotional fortitude to wear the jersey, be focused enough to be a serious playmaker at test rugby level and win MoM like Barnes did last night.

 

[What2040]

blokes living "the dream" - QC (Quade Cooper) and KB (Kurtley Beale) just need to man up and realise nothing really good happens after mid night - understand they are young blokes enjoying life and thats fair enough but ???? Maybe these bkokes need the 'minders" that Broncos players had a number of years ago. If a boofhead picked a fight with a player the 'minder" would step between the potential combatants. There are always wannabes out there half pissed and wanting to flog or belt a professional player (of any code) and generally say something disrespectful about the player. Its a shame it goes on BUT a fact of life.

 

[Scarfman]

I'll say this to the people defending their actions as "just boys letting their hair down." How many times did players like Eales, Gregan, Larkham, etc get into bother at 2am? You don't have to get arrested to have fun. But maybe there's a few players in the side now that are a bit more thick than yesterday's heroes.

 

[cyclopath]

8 years ago in Melbourne, having a beer in a pub with an American work colleague, Shane Warne walked in and had a drink, couple of ciggies and a few texts (I kid you not). I pointed out he was probably the most famous sportsman in Oz at the time. This guy was gobsmacked, and not only because I said Warney was a sportsman - said in the USA, nobody of that stature would be out without minders because someone from Joe Public would have a crack.
I think we are moving more this way, and high profile sportsmen and women have to accept that. Doesn't mean they shouldn't have the freedom to go out and have a few beers, but they do live in a different bubble to us.
And with all due respect, I suspect Quade and Kurtley might not have the same level of common sense as some others, given their track records. Doesn't excuse some knob having a go at them, if indeed that's what happened.
Shame, really.

 

[wobbly]

@What2040 - I met the Broncos chief 'minder' at a mutual friends house a couple of years ago. His stories and attitude did not fill me with a great deal of confidence that it was the bet way for a club to prevent 'incidents'. His attitudes to the players he was minding, the women who pursued them, the bouncers meant to protect them and the public late at night and the club officials he served - all led me to conclude the whole system was haphazard and a tenuous protection for all involved.

What shocked me the most was that the minder himself was sporting a massive hangover (drugs as well as alcohol) at 2pm the day after a match and a night of 'minding'.

Still, I'm very surprised the Reds, Rebels and ARU haven't assigned an informal minder to rockstar players.

 

[Sully]

I'll say this to the people defending their actions as "just boys letting their hair down." How many times did players like Eales, Gregan, Larkham, etc get into bother at 2am? You don't have to get arrested to have fun. But maybe there's a few players in the side now that are a bit more thick than yesterday's heroes.

No idea! Don't care. Were you with them. How do you know what they did in the age before every phone having a camera. Don't even bother comparing players from last century with current players in regards to public scrutiny. You and I both know that the players in the past got away with a hell of a lot more crap than these guys do.

 

[Scarfman]

Still, I'm very surprised the Reds, Rebels and ARU haven't assigned an informal minder to rockstar players.

Because if you treat people like children they will behave like children.

 

[wobbly]

I'd hope Horwill, Genia, Pocock, Mortlock, Robinson, Mowen and other leaders in Australian rugby would have a quite word with some of these guys to ensure we have a 'no dickheads' policy.

As with most stuff, the AFL and their leadership groups have shown the way on this (though not with 100% success of course).

I'd like to see leadership group philosophy employed more in professional rugby. The above mentioned (except Mortlock, perhaps Pyle or Higgers stepping up in next few years) would form an outstanding leadership group across Australian rugby).

 

[wobbly]

Because if you treat people like children they will behave like children.

Yep, Fairy muff, Scarfman.

 

[Slim 293]

No idea! Don't care. Were you with them. How do you know what they did in the age before every phone having a camera. Don't even bother comparing players from last century with current players in regards to public scrutiny. You and I both know that the players in the past got away with a hell of a lot more crap than these guys do.

So let's compare them with other young (current) Wallaby stars like Pocock, Genia, Horwill, Lealiifano, Hooper, McCabe, Horne, Barnes, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Blaming the media because they're not mature enough to adjust their attitudes is not acceptable.

 

[TOCC]

What other incidents have there been? There are so few incidents like this in rugby, that when something does happen, it is blown way the fuck out of proportion, honestly.

Even more reason to be conscious about their public figure then...

I can sympathize with a player been kicked out of a club for been drunk, we have all been there.... But throwing a punch at another person and also damaging another person property is just too much.. This is the second time KB (Kurtley Beale) has been under some kind of police investigation for assault, and second time this year Quade has been involved in a dispute when been thrown out of a club for being to drunk...

These players use their public figure to sell products and earn more money through endorsements, of course they should be held responsible for their own actions.

 

[Sully]

So let's compare them with other young (current) Wallaby stars like Pocock, Genia, Horwill, Lealiifano, Hooper, McCabe, Horne, Barnes, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Blaming the media because they're not mature enough to adjust their attitudes is not acceptable.

I didn't blame the media I said you couldn't compare them to players from another era! As for comparing them socially to players from today why would you bother............................
The only thing that should be compared is their playing ability everything else is none of our business.............................
FFS people scream in this country everytime they think their supposed civil liberties are stepped on but want to know every aspect of a sportsman life and then want to critique it. On top of that they expect them to live by some sort of unofficial code that not one of us would have a bar of..........................

 

[louie]

These guys have twitter accounts and make money out of their profiles they have. Their going to targets of the public and the media. That's just how it works.

On top of that they expect them to live by some sort of unofficial code that not one of us would have a bar of..........

if i was paid their sort of money i would.