Ballymore Redevelopment

[Jets]

Noble St has a shopping centre and then parkland on one side. Could push the foot traffic down that side to have minimal impact on residents.

I do find it strange that people move to live close to a sports stadium and then complain about it.

 

[LeCheese]

I don’t really understand why

Even with a station upgrade, I wouldn't have thought QR could handle anything like that volume of passengers on that line

Only a portion of that ~15k would be using the train. Like any major event/facility, it would need to consider the availability of multi-modal transport options. It's entirely achievable imo.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Only a portion of that ~15k would be using the train. Like any major event/facility, it would need to consider the availability of multi-modal transport options. It's entirely achievable imo.

What's a realistic capacity?

I think peak hour currently it's under 5k

 

[Jets]

Train and bus options would work. Others will use Uber, be dropped off or walk through Vic Park.

 

[LeCheese]

What's a realistic capacity?

I think peak hour currently it's under 5k

I don't really have the qualifications to make an educated guess at a number, but around 5k over the space of an hour should be achievable with a station upgrade and adequate event planning. A six-car NGR train has a capacity just shy of 1000 passengers, and having the Mayne Yard reasonably nearby (although closer to Perry Park, yes) would assist with serviceability.

Given Ballymore's proximity to end-of-line RBWH, you'd have to hope an extension of the Metro service would be considered, and could take a fair bit of capacity.

It's all just up to dollars and winning hearts and minds.

 

[JRugby2]

Look, I love Ballymore - but all of these solutions are clearly more difficult to implement than they are at Perry Park.

Trains: Ballymore - Station upgrade, street footpath upgrades and still a 1.5km walk (or 2.5km from Exhibition Cross River Rail). Perry Park - no upgrades needed for Bowen Hills Station, and 300m walk. Probably need to upgrade the crossing

Buses: Both need a bus interchange on-site, but Perry Park is adjacent to a main road, whereas Buses to Ballymore would need to travel through 2km of narrow streets

My gut feel is that Ballymore will get a repeat of the new Mclean stand on the Eastern side, and that'll be about it for a while. Can't see a government investing more into the QRU's masterplan.

Outside of the olympics, when the time comes for Brisbane to realise it needs a 25k boutique stadium for it's next NRL team, can't help but think Perry Park will get the nod - if not somewhere else.

 

[LeCheese]

Look, I love Ballymore - but all of these solutions are clearly more difficult to implement than they are at Perry Park.

Trains: Ballymore - Station upgrade, street footpath upgrades and still a 1.5km walk (or 2.5km from Exhibition Cross River Rail). Perry Park - no upgrades needed for Bowen Hills Station, and 300m walk. Probably need to upgrade the crossing

Buses: Both need a bus interchange on-site, but Perry Park is adjacent to a main road, whereas Buses to Ballymore would need to travel through 2km of narrow streets

My gut feel is that Ballymore will get a repeat of the new Mclean stand on the Eastern side, and that'll be about it for a while. Can't see a government investing more into the QRU's masterplan.

Outside of the olympics, when the time comes for Brisbane to realise it needs a 25k boutique stadium for it's next NRL team, can't help but think Perry Park will get the nod - if not somewhere else.

These are valid and true points, but so is the size issue discussed above, which is arguably more difficult to overcome.

Ultimately the drawbacks of both sites probably mean neither will get a green light for major upgrades, and a solution like Vic Park will probably be preferred.

 

[Wilson]

Look, I love Ballymore - but all of these solutions are clearly more difficult to implement than they are at Perry Park.

Trains: Ballymore - Station upgrade, street footpath upgrades and still a 1.5km walk (or 2.5km from Exhibition Cross River Rail). Perry Park - no upgrades needed for Bowen Hills Station, and 300m walk. Probably need to upgrade the crossing

Buses: Both need a bus interchange on-site, but Perry Park is adjacent to a main road, whereas Buses to Ballymore would need to travel through 2km of narrow streets

My gut feel is that Ballymore will get a repeat of the new Mclean stand on the Eastern side, and that'll be about it for a while. Can't see a government investing more into the QRU's masterplan.

Outside of the olympics, when the time comes for Brisbane to realise it needs a 25k boutique stadium for it's next NRL team, can't help but think Perry Park will get the nod - if not somewhere else.

The flip side is a $100 million+ difference in the cost to upgrade Ballymore and Perry park, which is a lot of money that can be spent improving transport links for an inner city suburb, something that needs to be done throughout Brisbane. It's also worth noting that no one is pushing for a 25k seat stadium at Ballymore, all they're looking for is something around 12k permanent with some capacity for temporary seating up to 15k or so.

There's absolutely a case for that 25k seat stadium in Brisbane over the next decade or 2, and Perry Park looks primed for that, but there currently isn't any case for it as an Olympic venue. The site itself is not fit for purpose for hockey, and Suncorp is set to take both the sevens and the soccer. Football and it's supporters are pushing for it to happen now, and that's understandable given there's money up for grabs, but there just isn't an argument for it as part of the olympic funding and the case needs to be made on it's own merits.

 

[Jimmy_Crouch]

The flip side is a $100 million+ difference in the cost to upgrade Ballymore and Perry park, which is a lot of money that can be spent improving transport links for an inner city suburb, something that needs to be done throughout Brisbane. It's also worth noting that no one is pushing for a 25k seat stadium at Ballymore, all they're looking for is something around 12k permanent with some capacity for temporary seating up to 15k or so.

There's absolutely a case for that 25k seat stadium in Brisbane over the next decade or 2, and Perry Park looks primed for that, but there currently isn't any case for it as an Olympic venue. The site itself is not fit for purpose for hockey, and Suncorp is set to take both the sevens and the soccer. Football and it's supporters are pushing for it to happen now, and that's understandable given there's money up for grabs, but there just isn't an argument for it as part of the olympic funding and the case needs to be made on it's own merits.

Can only have rugby after soccer at the same venue so that would mean a shift in timings

 

[Spamnoodle]

These are the words of someone who has never tried to get a statutory parking reduction for a pub development.

A common life experience I'm sure...

 

[Adam84]

Hockey Australian and Hockey Queensland have put forward the Gold Coast Hockey Centre as their preferred venue for the Brisbane Olympics

Hockey Australia and Hockey Queensland cite Gold Coast Hockey Centre as ideal venue for 2032 Olympics and Paralympics - Australasian Leisure Management

www.ausleisure.com.au

 

[dru]

Hockey Australian and Hockey Queensland have put forward the Gold Coast Hockey Centre as their preferred venue for the Brisbane Olympics

Hockey Australia and Hockey Queensland cite Gold Coast Hockey Centre as ideal venue for 2032 Olympics and Paralympics - Australasian Leisure Management

www.ausleisure.com.au

From that report:

The submission also identifies unresolved constraints with the Ballymore site, flagged during prior consultations, including feedback from the International Hockey Federation (FIH).

It adds “these include orientation challenges, incomplete planning documentation, and the impact of environmental risks highlighted by the 2022 Brisbane floods that also affected Downey Park.

Any ideas on what "orientation challenges" means? "Incomplete documentation" and "impact of environmental risks" just sound like par-for-the-course business as normal. Pretty normal for sporting fields in Brisbane to be in flood zones. Seems like a risk that comes with Brisbane, albeit reasonable moderation aught be considered. What other local specific environmental risks are there?

 

[Strewthcobber]

From that report:


Any ideas on what "orientation challenges" means? "Incomplete documentation" and "impact of environmental risks" just sound like par-for-the-course business as normal. Pretty normal for sporting fields in Brisbane to be in flood zones. Seems like a risk that comes with Brisbane, albeit reasonable moderation aught be considered. What other local specific environmental risks are there?

This is what FIH require in their specs. What's Ballymore at?

 

[Wilson]

This is what FIH require in their specs. What's Ballymore at?

I think the main field is fine (I think it's bang on 15 degrees off North/South), but the second field which would be warm up/training is basically East/West in it's alignment. I doubt it's a significant issue at that point, given it's only "preferably aligned" for those.

 

[dru]

This is what FIH require in their specs. What's Ballymore at?

Thanks Strewth - not sure on Ballymore but that does clarify orientation.