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Blitzbok

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Hi,
I'm looking for some tips on learning about back play. I'm struggling to find a lot of in depth resources and nobody seems to be able to answer my questions! Seeing as I have a deep admiration for the Australia of old, I was hoping there would be more knowledgeable students of the game that could help me out.

Regards
Blitz.
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
Specifically what areas of back play are you interested in? Welcome aboard.
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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You would do a lot worse to look at the video analysis Austin and Gagger have put together over the years. Also the 'history of the Australian backline' series is great for understanding the history of back play and how it has evolved to what is seen today.

It's all here.
 
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Blitzbok

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Thanks,
Specifically? Well, I understand the basic concepts like the types of passes, such as switches, loops et al. I also understand overs and unders running lines. Things that most interest me are:

- Formulating base formations.
- Constructing backline moves.
- Sequential attacking plays, multi-phase plays.

Not just generally, but in different situations and areas of the field. I know this is asking a lot, but my curiosity about the more detailed aspects of the game will not die! I come from an NFL background. Any help will be gratefully received, thanks for your time TheKonze.

Regards
 
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Blitzbok

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You would do a lot worse to look at the video analysis Austin and Gagger have put together over the years. Also the 'history of the Australian backline' series is great for understanding the history of back play and how it has evolved to what is seen today.

It's all here.

Thanks for the link Barbarian :)
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
Could you try writing a list of key questions you have about backline play? It'll be easier and more effective to answer your questions than to try and summarise what is a pretty wide ranging subject.

Looking forward to your queries.
 

Baldric

Jim Clark (26)
As a Saffer, when you said "backplay" I thought you meant Bakkies kind of stuff. Elbow in the neck, knee in the back, you know the kind of thing.

And as a Saffer I was thinking he was asking an Australian point of view of how to have your back bent in scrums, that sort of thing.
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
Thanks,
Specifically? Well, I understand the basic concepts like the types of passes, such as switches, loops et al. I also understand overs and unders running lines. Things that most interest me are:

- Formulating base formations.
- Constructing backline moves.
- Sequential attacking plays, multi-phase plays.

Not just generally, but in different situations and areas of the field. I know this is asking a lot, but my curiosity about the more detailed aspects of the game will not die! I come from an NFL background. Any help will be gratefully received, thanks for your time TheKonze.

Regards

Even Subbies clubs in Sydney have set backline plays that they run that they expect the whole team to do. Mostly they consist of variations and combinations of:
- overs lines
- unders lines
- switches / suck - switch / scissors
- suck - pops
- inside pops
- blocker plays
- cuts - cut 1, cut 2, suck - cut, etc

You might find that a club might have 3 - 6 or more set plays that all grades (forwards and backs) know and can do off set piece and phase ball, regardless of backline formation (generally you need the 5/8 though). I would reckon that the pro and semi-pro teams would have much more than that as well if the Subbies clubs can pull that off.

For example, a random combination of the above which you could pick (say, call it a switch-blocker): a play with 4 people might be a (suck) switch with the 1st receiver (1st guy) and inside centre/blind winger (2nd guy), (which could be taken or not taken) while the two outside men (3rd and 4th guys) do a blocker move (ie they cross and the 5/8 has a choice of who to pass to). Theoretically, if the 5/8 calls this play off any ball it shouldn't matter who is outside of him. In this move alone the 5/8 has 4 options: run, switch (2nd guy), front blocker (4th guy), back blocker (3rd guy). With practice it can be done at anytime in a game.
 
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Linus

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As a coach trying to teach the intracacies of backline play to an American college team, I can understand your interest and the difficulty of resources. The series of questions I had to answer, never had occurred to me until I had a player coming from a non rugby background ask them, as most of us have seen rugby if not played it, and don't even think about.

There is are a set of basic assumptions of knowledge that underline most answers, and make it hard to answer without having a specific question, and even then in my situation I had to answer alot of things before I could get an understanding from the player. For example, even if you are talking about something as straight forward as an overs or unders line there is a knowing what the line is and knowing what the running line is trying to achieve, why you use it, I often had a player running into contact because of the idea that had been placed in their head, that they were trying to attract defenders, when the space would have led to a long break or a try. I discovered I needed alot more patience and understanding. ;-)

A base formation is something you chose in the NFL and only occurs at a set piece in Rugby, and since Eddie Jones left his head coaching role no one really runs a scripted multi phase attack (feel free to correct me if anyone has seen examples). Perhaps you can start with something you have seen and we work backwards to get you an answer. And contructing backline play has been well addressed by Ash as a starting point.
 

Set piece magic

John Solomon (38)
Thanks,
Specifically? Well, I understand the basic concepts like the types of passes, such as switches, loops et al. I also understand overs and unders running lines. Things that most interest me are:

- Formulating base formations.
- Constructing backline moves.
- Sequential attacking plays, multi-phase plays.

Not just generally, but in different situations and areas of the field. I know this is asking a lot, but my curiosity about the more detailed aspects of the game will not die! I come from an NFL background. Any help will be gratefully received, thanks for your time TheKonze.

Regards

So you understand the basics of backline play and can see yes there passing it and he's running a line, here's my view on how it works

Let's begin with basic formations of the backs.

In defense, when the opposition is under pressure, there should be three people waiting for a kick: full back and the two wings. The rest of the backline should be pressuring the other backline

In defense, when the opposition isn't under pressure, they should all be up bar the fullback. The backs should always be a step or so on the inside of his man, so he can't be opened up inside by that particular man.

In attack, there are numerous differen't formations which can involve all of the backline up.

THat's pretty straightforward and I'm guessing you know that stuff, just put it in to make sure. Here's some stuff about scoring try's

Ideally you want to manipulate their backline so that they are forced to either not get anywhere near you, make an unrealistic tackle, or be chasing you from behind (this is where the "don't argue with Digby Ioane fend coms in")

And to achieve this there are a countless number of ways. They are listed:

Overlap - Overlap is generated through either piss poor defense and people not marking up, or for example a 50m break which forces outside players to come in and make tackles, leaving holes out wide.

example of this: Bledisloe 1 2003, sydney.

new zealand are pushing the ball forward inside AUS half. a forward runner is isolated and smith and waugh steal it. Aus passes out twice to matt rodgers who somehow skims through three tackles and makes a 50m line break, gives it to wendell sailor who is tackled just 10m short. Ignore the break and look at the situation.

Because of the break, Australia made backline players on the other side of the ruck, the side which rodgers wasn't running through, come across in cover defense. As a result, they have now left their side unmarked. A 3 man overlap is generated, Australia holds the ball, passes left and burke goes over.

Here it is on video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee9DtcWIrPU

it's the first try in the video.

SO that is a simple overlap, a combination of multiphase play and a break.

Next is multiphase play.
The same concept of an overlap is applied here:
Tri Nations 2010 Bloemfontine, Australia V South Africa.
Australia has the ball on the far left in the midfield and is pushing hard. A couple of barnstorming runs mean several people have to commit, giving the backline some time and space. But not an overlap, just a sliding defense. As such a backline move is used to commit the sliding defenders and create an overlap.

It's the first try
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RijpErJJ_nw


poetry in motion isn't it.

And so that play was with the intent of scoring, which now segues into sequential attacking plays involving the backline.
Again normally a precurser to a scoring move or pressure try, what these aim to do is what the forwards where doing in the previous example: move defenders from positions. You have a scrumhalf, who passes to a flyhalf, who then has several forward runner options with him. pass to a forward running a line, or pass to another back, who also has a forward with him. What this aims to do is exploit an immobile forward pack (hint south africa) and make them move across the park, which will normally result in the attacking team getting quick front foot ball if executed correctly which can lead to a pressure pick and drive, a backline play try ect.

Hope this answers your question.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Thanks,
Specifically? Well, I understand the basic concepts like the types of passes, such as switches, loops et al. I also understand overs and unders running lines. Things that most interest me are:

- Formulating base formations.
- Constructing backline moves.
- Sequential attacking plays, multi-phase plays.

Not just generally, but in different situations and areas of the field. I know this is asking a lot, but my curiosity about the more detailed aspects of the game will not die! I come from an NFL background. Any help will be gratefully received, thanks for your time TheKonze.

Regards
A Tin Ear supporter from an NFL background. :eek: Slaat my dood met 'n snoek! :nta:
 

Viking

Mark Ella (57)
Hi,
I'm looking for some tips on learning about back play. I'm struggling to find a lot of in depth resources and nobody seems to be able to answer my questions! Seeing as I have a deep admiration for the Australia of old, I was hoping there would be more knowledgeable students of the game that could help me out.

Regards
Blitz.

Wait a minute... Tony Rea is that u? Brumbies management?
 
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Blitzbok

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Thanks for the replies guys! Lots of useful info here, I'll go over them carefully before I ask anymore questions.
 
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