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Peter Johnson (47)
Paarl do you think the springboks could stay internationally competitive if they ditched super rugby and just played a full currie cup season?
Not trolling or anything, just a genuine question.
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Paarl do you think the springboks could stay internationally competitive if they ditched super rugby and just played a full currie cup season?
Not trolling or anything, just a genuine question.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
They always did. They dont have to ditch SupeRugby, they should have kept it a S14. They tried to fix something that wasnt broken. The CC (U19/U21)provide the important building or starting block for our top players. Without that block we will be fucked.
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Crowd
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Hey guys,
is there a website that has crowd statistics on Super Rugby games?
or perhaps a website that has crowd statistics on multiple levels of professional Rugby?
is there a website that has crowd statistics on Super Rugby games?
or perhaps a website that has crowd statistics on multiple levels of professional Rugby?
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Crowd
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Is there no site which deals with crowd stats?
Or is there just no body here that knows about one?
In my search, i have found this: http://www.rugbystats.com.au/rugby/
But that doesn't seem to provide crowd numbers on any game despite the a section for it.
Or is there just no body here that knows about one?
In my search, i have found this: http://www.rugbystats.com.au/rugby/
But that doesn't seem to provide crowd numbers on any game despite the a section for it.
Ash
Michael Lynagh (62)
Sorry, just saw Moses has been updating this on the G&GR wiki:
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/forum/showwiki/Super+Rugby+Attendance
Great stuff from Moses!
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/forum/showwiki/Super+Rugby+Attendance
Great stuff from Moses!
I got it from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Australian_football_code_crowds
Looking around, there's more references to 16,102
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...-as-dom-delivers-for-reds-20110612-1fyob.html
http://twf.com.au/showthread.php?t=29069
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Try
http://www.sarugby.net/
Click on tournament
Vodacom Super Rugby
and pick your year.
Click on results, more results and the year results will appear. click on the score and just maybe they will show the crowd.
Like here
http://www.sarugby.net/matchbreakdo...eid=407&homeid=5558&awayid=5560&fullview=true
Nice one Paarl, unfortunately I can't find any prior to 2006 though - checked out all the 2005 ones..
Torn Hammy
Johnnie Wallace (23)
how accurate are these figures. The Tahs vs Landers official crowd was 13,000+ but was probably less than 8,000.
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wolverine
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True, it would have been fairer to do a comparison of crowds in CC rounds when Boks were involved, vs. those where Boks were absent (e.g. due to 3N duty, resting etc). I still believe that games involving the minor Unions would attract less interest, even when Boks are present.
I could see an argument for 14 regular round games for this format i.e. 15 teams, conference system, home and away games within the conference, but only playing 3 teams from the other nation's conferences, instead of 5. NFL teams don't play everyone outside their division or conference. In NH's Heineken Cup, teams certainly don't play everyone every year.
Both NZ and SA could benefit from players being available for the NPC/CC semis and final for non RWC year. In an RWC year, they could shift the NPC/CC finals to November, or ensure that if Boks/NZ are eliminated early, then allow them to play NPC/CC finals. Both initiatives could boost interest in both comps, and in particular, revitalise the NPC.
Also, SARU should really take the Currie Cup final to Soccer City every year. That way, both teams would be on neutral ground, they'd attract 94,000 fans, and it could attract fans from every team, not just the hosts and a few away fans. That would make it a truly national event. The current format gives the log leaders two home games in the final, and puts them in pole position to win, which is quite unfair to the lower team and makes it uncompetitive - the home team generally wins the Currie Cup.
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
A few more here, but does the site does not seem to have all games available (just the bigger crowds)
Sydney Football Stadium
(source: http://www.austadiums.com/sport/stadium.php?id=9)
Ballymore
(source: http://www.austadiums.com/sport/stadium.php?id=10 )
Canberra Stadium
(source: http://www.austadiums.com/sport/stadium.php?id=28)
Code:
SFS (source: http://www.austadiums.com/sport/stadium.php?id=9)
38,671 17th April 2004 S12: Waratahs v Hurricanes
37,832 24th April 2004 S12: Waratahs v Brumbies
39,363 2nd April 2005 S12: Waratahs v Crusaders
38,220 6th May 2005 S12: Waratahs v Reds
Ballymore (source: http://www.austadiums.com/sport/stadium.php?id=10)
20,000 22nd February 2003 S12: Reds v Brumbies
20,000 4th April 2003 S12: Reds v Hurricanes
20,000 26th April 2003 S12: Reds v Cats
16,577 3rd May 2003 S12: Reds v Sharks
15,707 28th February 2004 S12: Reds v Chiefs
16,977 6th March 2004 S12: Reds v Crusaders
19,670 13th March 2004 S12: Reds v Blues
20,097 26th February 2005 S12: Reds v Hurricanes
19,567 1st April 2005 S12: Reds v Highlanders
Canberra Stadium (source: http://www.austadiums.com/sport/stadium.php?id=28)
25,122 18th April 2003 S12: Brumbies v Waratahs
25,279 9th May 2003 S12: Brumbies v Crusaders
24,017 28th March 2004 S12: Brumbies v Reds
23,191 15th May 2004 S12: Brumbies v Chiefs
28,753 22nd May 2004 S12: Brumbies v Crusaders
23,104 9th April 2004 S12: Brumbies v Highlanders
24,115 26th February 2005 S12: Brumbies v Crusaders
27,040 16th April 2005 S12: Brumbies v Waratahs
23,097 8th April 2007 S14: Brumbies v Waratahskiap
Steve Williams (59)
Actually the Austadiums site (http://www.austadiums.com/sport/events_all.php) does have data going back to 2003 but you need to register and poke around to find it.
Here's the details for the Reds home games for seasons 2003, 2004 and 2005:
Data for Waratahs and Brumbies for those years is also on the site.
Here's the details for the Reds home games for seasons 2003, 2004 and 2005:
Code:
Reds
DATE EVENT VENUE CROWD (%current RESULT
capacity)
22/02/03
06:40 PM v Brumbies Ballymore Stadium 20,000 (111%) ACT Brumbies 22 (Roff try; Mortlock 5 pen, 1 con) bt Queensland Reds 19 (Latham try; Huxley 3 pen, 1 con)
04/04/03
08:00 PM v Hurricanes Ballymore Stadium 20,000 (111%) HURRICANES 26 (Christian Cullen, Tana Umaga tries; Riki Flutey 2 goals, 4 pens) bt QUEENSLAND REDS 23(John Roe, Daniel Herbert, Josh Valentine tries; Elton Flatley goal, 2 pens)
26/04/03
07:40 PM v Cats Ballymore Stadium 20,000 (111%) REDS 41 (Tries: Ben Tune, Toutai Kefu, Nick Stiles, Chris Latham; Conversions: Elton Flatley 3; Penalties: Elton Flatley 5) bt CATS 13 (Tries: Jaque Fourie; Conversions: Andre Pretorius; Penalties: Andre Pretorius 2)
03/05/03
07:40 PM v Sharks Ballymore Stadium 16,577 (92%) QUEENSLAND REDS 22 ((Toutai Kefu try, Elton Flatley goal, 5 pen goals) bt SHARKS 13 (Rudi Keil try, Butch James goal, 2 pen goals)
10/05/03
05:35 PM v Highlanders Ballymore Stadium 22,500 (125%) QUEENSLAND 28 (Julian Huxley, Nathan Sharpe, Wendell Sailor Daniel Heenan tries Elton Flatley 4 cons) bt HIGHLANDERS 23 (Byron Kelleher, James Arlidge tries Willie Walker 3 pens 2 cons)
28/02/04
08:00 PM v Chiefs Ballymore Stadium 15,707 (87%) QUEENSLAND 39 (S Kefu 2, C Latham, W Sailor, T Feather tries; E Flatley 3 con, 2 pen, T Feather con) bt CHIEFS 25 (G Jackson, S Sivivatu, S Lauaki tries; G Jackson con, 2 pen, D Hill con)
06/03/04
08:00 PM v Crusaders Ballymore Stadium 16,977 (94%) Crusaders 20 (Tries: Flynn; Penalties: Carter 5) bt Reds 17 (Tries: Roe, Kefu; Conversions: Flatley 2; Penalties: Flatley 1)
13/03/04
07:00 PM v Blues Ballymore Stadium 19,670 (109%) QUEENSLAND 20 (C Latham 2, W Sailor tries; S Kefu con, T Feather pen) bt AUCKLAND 3(B Atiga pen)
10/04/04
07:30 PM v Stormers Ballymore Stadium 12,328 (68%) Stormers 21 (Tries: Joubert, Davids; Penalties: Rossouw 3; Conversions: Rossouw) bt Reds 20 (Tries: Mitchell, Sailor, Hynes; Penalties: Walsh; Conversions: Walsh)
16/04/04
07:40 PM v Bulls Ballymore Stadium 11,773 (65%) BULLS 23 (Eddie Fredericks, Gary Botha tries; Derick Hougaard 2 cons, 3 pens)bt QUEENSLAND REDS 17 (Peter Hynes, Steve Kefu, Wendell Sailor tries; Nathan Williams con)
08/05/04
07:40 PM v Waratahs Suncorp Stadium 42,237 (80%) QUEENSLAND REDS 23 (Peter Hynes, Nathan Sharpe tries; Elton Flatley 2 con, 3 pen) bt NSW WARATAHS 7 (Lote Tuqiri try; Matt Burke con)
26/02/05
08:05 PM v Hurricanes Ballymore Stadium 20,097 (112%) WELLINGTON HURRICANES 24 (Ma'a Nonu, Lome Fa'atau tries; Jimmy Gopperth 2 pen goals, 1 goal, Piri Weepu 2 pen goals) bt QUEENSLAND REDS 10 (Elton Flatley, Nathan Sharpe tries)
01/04/05
07:40 PM v Highlanders Ballymore Stadium 19,567 (109%) Highlanders 23 (Josh Blackie 2 tries; Ben Blair 3 pen, 2 conv) bt Queensland Reds 16 (Chris Latham, Junior Pelesasa tries; Julian Huxley 2 pen)
23/04/05
07:40 PM v Sharks Ballymore Stadium 12,274 (68%) QUEENSLAND REDS 30 (Ben Tune, Elton Flatley, Drew Mitchell, David Croft tries; Elton Flatley 2 pen, 2 cons) bt SHARKS 25 (Ryan Pienaar, Brent Russell, Trevor Halstead tries; Conrad Barnard pen, 2 conv, Ryan Pienaar pen)
29/04/05
07:40 PM v Cats Ballymore Stadium 10,482 (58%) QUEENSLAND REDS 21 (Wendell Sailor, Chris Latham tries; Elton Flatley pen, Chris Latham pen, Julian Huxley pen, con) bt CATS 15 (Chumani Booi, Jaque Fourie tries; Andre Pretorius pen, con)
14/05/05
07:40 PM v Brumbies Suncorp Stadium 28,323 (54%) ACT BRUMBIES 38 (Giteau 2, Fairbanks, Mortlock, Smith, Norton-Knight tries; Mortlock 4 conv) bt QLD REDS 21 (Hynes, Huxley, Mitchell tries; Huxley 3 conv)Data for Waratahs and Brumbies for those years is also on the site.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Thanks Kiap, very interesting. Geez, the crowd declines from 2004/5 in Sydney and Canberra to 2011's tracking levels are huge. And that comparison doesn't factor in Australia's population growth in these cities since these earlier years, this would be at least 12% over the period I would think.
I also note that last Saturday's ANZ Stadium S15 game got a crowd of c.28,000; Moses' wiki crowd figures for the identical S14 game in the identical stadium in 2010 was c. 40,000.
These trends have got to be turned around.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Moses do you want only the Aus crowd numbers. I do have Newlands and Loftus figures for 2010:
Newlands
Newlands
Cheetahs 43089
Bulls 48739
Tahs 37268
Brumbies 38367
Highlanders 36527
Canes 44350
Cheetahs 43089
Saders 48184
Tahs 47976
Total 387589
Average 43065
Loftus
Lions 24638
Sharks 50000
Tahs 30044
Highlanders 34435
Canes 37104
Saders 32245
Saders 38534
Stormers 40250
Total 287250
Average 35906
They usually have them on that site for this two venues, if you want more info, I'll get it for you
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Crowd
Guest
Thanks guys!
Karl
Bill McLean (32)
The Wikipedia article says there were 40 games of Super Rugby?
There are 125 this season, how is that right?
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