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Steve Williams (59)
Eastwood v Gordon on a council ground in the Hills district. It's the future.
Not only that, it's all we really need.
You know it makes sense.
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Not only that, it's all we really need.
You know it makes sense.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
People don’t hate the Shute shield for its quality, infact it’s universally admired. It’s more it’s attitude from administrators who want only what’s best for the clubs involved in it and their preparedness to generate collateral damage of anyone outside their own circle, often leading to negative publicity which damages brands (namely the NRC) which everywhere outside Sydney is in need of to strengthen their situations. The constant grandstanding as the bastions of ‘grassroots’ rugby in its fight against professionalism, when they themselves pillage other clubs as much as the professional does to them.
The competition is fantastic, but why does it have to be bigger and better with more resources if it’s already fantastic???? What does that actually do for the other 99% of rugby clubs in Australia including their own state, who they have ignored, kicked teams out in the past and are actually properly struggling for resources. For example working out of a shed, struggling to put numbers together for a first grade team and haven’t got enough balls to run drills. This is what pisses the vast majority of people outside the SS sphere, they keep telling us they represent us, but why does it feel like it’s about vested interest more than they greater good? Picking between the two most powerful groups in Australian rugby (RA and the Sydney bubble) feel like picking a political party, you don’t really feel like they represent you but if you are to pick, you’d rather the devil you know than the devil you don’t.
Perhaps they just need to sell their message better. Pappy, Alan Jones, etc. I’m not sure if they are the right people, they are all a little Phil Kearns in their msging
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Nev Cottrell (35)
Yes, but this is part of the whole issue affecting the game here, the Kiwis don't want more local derbies to protect its Test players. That's because there Test teams are playing up-to 15/16 Tests a year, combine that with Super rugby and you have over 30 games a year.
This whole approach suits the Kiwis perfectly with the status of the All Blacks and there place in the market.
Adversely in Australia this approach has had the opposite effect on the game here. Instead of improving the Super rugby competition, adjusting to the market & streamlining it like the other codes. The Structural issues have simply never been addressed, in fact the only increase in revenue has been through incredibly poorly planned expansion (in fact its hard to state just how poorly planned those money grabbing expansions were).
So why are we surprised in 2020 when the value of Super rugby is now so compromised.
The sad issue is what is the plan moving forward from RA, and this is the really sad part, well that is putting all its eggs in the world league basket for a cash advance
We sell Test rugby for 12 years to a private investment company who will then distribute the rights to broadcasters (NO problem there!!!!!)
The Kiwis are laughing all the way to the bank they get exactly what they want, a continuation of Super rugby and Test primacy.
And the RA, as always self interest rules.
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Steve Williams (59)
Possibility one flows from a Nations Championship. If that happens then RA are back in the game.
While it won't solve rugby's deep structural problems here, they'll get to breathe some air and fight on for another round.
You never know, might happen. Might not.
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John Eales (66)
I wish I could like this more than once. I love the Shield and have watched on telly for decades, but it's not the be-all and end-all of the code here. The bit in bold encapsulates it for me. The level of smug elitism that accompanies a lot of the arguments about how rugby should be run in this country really grates with us who aren't in the Eastern suburbs of Sydney.
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David Wilson (68)
It's all very well for you fellas to want more local derbies, but for us other poor buggers from NZ and SA have our boys playing each twice a year which is more than enough, then we have to play each other in the finals because there are bugger all Aus teams there!!!!
There are only 2 SS teams in the Eastern Suburbs. 5 in the Northern Suburbs. Maybe you need to re-direct your anger!
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I think our power as a country is understated sometimes, if we pull out what are NZ and SA gonna do? Conference system? That’s more derby games, fly over us? Unlikely. Fall back on their domestic leagues? Possible but NZ will be financially screwed if that happens
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Jim Lenehan (48)
I agree 100%
If we decide to destroy our current commercial outlook, we also destroy NZ as well. Not sure how that’d go down with maintaining a relationship that has to be maintained, but we should lean on it more.
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A trans-Tasman comp with islands and japan must be our main goal. There are so many obstacles to overcome to get there but it seems like the only logical explanation for our long term survival.
Make the comp eligability fluid so any player can play anywhere in the comp and still be eligible for their nationals team, makes our teams stronger (good for us/tv viewing/ competitive matches for nz) and provides more pro contracts for kiwis (more likely to keep top talent close to home)
Fuck off South Africa, yes they have tv money but that will be somewhat offset by having more favourable viewing times in the new competition. They are more trouble than they are worth and it makes more sense they join northern hemisphere
Bigger focus on the NRC, offer spots to quality Mitre10 players, lots of them. Ups the quality of the competition and offers them the chance of a pro contract (more likely than getting one in NZ)
Make the comp eligability fluid so any player can play anywhere in the comp and still be eligible for their nationals team, makes our teams stronger (good for us/tv viewing/ competitive matches for nz) and provides more pro contracts for kiwis (more likely to keep top talent close to home)
Fuck off South Africa, yes they have tv money but that will be somewhat offset by having more favourable viewing times in the new competition. They are more trouble than they are worth and it makes more sense they join northern hemisphere
Bigger focus on the NRC, offer spots to quality Mitre10 players, lots of them. Ups the quality of the competition and offers them the chance of a pro contract (more likely than getting one in NZ)
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
There are only 2 SS teams in the Eastern Suburbs. 5 in the Northern Suburbs. Maybe you need to re-direct your anger!
That thought did occur to me
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
After some thought I reckon maybe a sneaky idea would be to have 2-3 teams in super (you bloody need it, because Aus rugby is history without playing other teams) and work on getting Forresters idea up and running as secondary comp at same time with promotion relegation. And keep SA, the viewing times in Aus are as unfavourable to NZ as SA is to Aus. F*** only knows who pays for it, but noone going to pay for an Aussie only comp either.
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Well that’s not true
Games in SA are usually after midnight on the east coast of Aus
Even if we play a game in Perth it’ll start earlier in NZ than regular SA games do in Aus
And without SA we can put midday and arvo games on Saturday and Sunday regularly just as the NRL and AFL do
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
There are only 2 SS teams in the Eastern Suburbs. 5 in the Northern Suburbs. Maybe you need to re-direct your anger!
I count four? Rats, Marlins, Gordon, Norths.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
I'm assuming he's counting Eastwood as being in the north. He's half right so I'll give him that one but the East have to get Syd Uni as well.
Have you heard of Anzac Parade? Uni aint in the Eastern Suburbs.
Eastwood historically is, not just half. The fact they're shifting further afield is neither here nor there.
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Simon Poidevin (60)
You Sydney Siders really need to work out where the middle of your city is, and what is east of that point
Middle - considerably west of Parramatta.
West - west of that.
East - it's a vibe. (But East thinks west is west of Anzac Parade, which is East of 98% of Sydney).
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Just use the old junior regional breakup
Northern Zone: Gordon, Norths, Manly, Warringah
Western Zone: West Harbour, Eastwood, Two Blues, Penrith
Southern Zone (including East): Sydney Uni, Easts, Randwick, Southern Districts
Northern Zone: Gordon, Norths, Manly, Warringah
Western Zone: West Harbour, Eastwood, Two Blues, Penrith
Southern Zone (including East): Sydney Uni, Easts, Randwick, Southern Districts
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David Wilson (68)
There are only 2 SS teams in the Eastern Suburbs. 5 in the Northern Suburbs. Maybe you need to re-direct your anger!
Conspiracy theories and unfulfilled anger don't require facts or logic, just someone to vent upon. SS clubs are a convenient target.
I just love the logic which suggests that volunteer club officials of Shute Shield clubs are somehow responsible for the development of the game across Australia. My experience as a club official, coach, manager etc., was that it took up all of my non-work time just to help keep my own club going. I don't know where club workers are supposed to find the time to fix the problems of rugby in Australia - we all have a real job to pay the bills and families and other interests outside of rugby.