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Australian Rugby / RA

LeCheese

LeCheese

Greg Davis (50)
Dan54 said:
Things have changed, you are right with all things except cheap to play. FFS fella that worked for me in Oz who had 2 boys playing was paying subs of $700 to $1400 a year, plus $5 a game for the ref. Any coaching days seemed to be an additonal $100-150 at least. Meeting a few parents at a couple of dinners etc, I was gobsmacked how elitist the game seemd.
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Is the $700-1400 individual or for both? Even if for both, $700/player seems very high. A quick google can find most clubs' fees in recent years, which of course vary slightly club-to-club and for age level (with juniors and women being cheaper). ~$350-450 per player seems to be the rough ball park for juniors from the Brisbane clubs I've seen

Brothers' 2022 fees across player groups, including a list of what the fees cover, is attached below for interest.
 
noscrumnolife

noscrumnolife

Bill Watson (15)
It's clear some extent of centralisation is required, especially around top-end performance. But I also wouldn't want us to import the Irish model and make NSW/QLD the centre of the Australian Rugby Universe (like Leinster). I think it is important to keep provincial representation, identity and crucially competitiveness alive. NSW + QLD state rugby teams and the Brumbies live in the Australian sporting conscious and it shouldn't be thrown away. A great state/province based game is fundamental for success.

One benefit to keeping the Super identities is their is a clear link to our Rugby history and its easy to take pride in a state-based team. Have seen so many people throw up models for a National Professional comp in place of Super Rugby, inventing new teams out of the drop of a hat. No one gives a toss about these clubs. The Redcliffe Dolphins was good expansion because it linked to a club with well established identity and history. It also costs an exorbitant amount to simply start a new comp just like that. Money we don't have
 
KOB1987

KOB1987

John Eales (66)
stillmissit said:
The colts are under 21 from memory but subbies are classed as senior players, although some young players play 1st grade, not sure how old Jorgenson was when he started at Tahs but there are several examples. I played 1st grade seniors in the UK at 19.
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Some of the Sydney subbies clubs have juniors programs - Chatswood, Hunters Hill, Drummoyne, Mosman come to mind. They are aligned with the Shute clubs when it comes to playing rep footy - e.g. Mosman = Norths, Chatswood = Gordon, etc
 
The Ghost of Raelene

The Ghost of Raelene

Simon Poidevin (60)
LeCheese said:
Is the $700-1400 individual or for both? Even if for both, $700/player seems very high. A quick google can find most clubs' fees in recent years, which of course vary slightly club-to-club and for age level (with juniors and women being cheaper). ~$350-450 per player seems to be the rough ball park for juniors from the Brisbane clubs I've seen

Brothers' 2022 fees across player groups, including a list of what the fees cover, is attached below for interest.
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Still talking Soccer right?

The thing about a lot of the Soccer is the $350 is for your local club. If you then get into the rep side they slug you with that again then again at every stage. Then half the parents sign up to academy programs that are named Barcelona or whatever that are just franchises anyone can set up. These will cost you once more.

Along with any gear they need I know a few people spending over $1000 on kid’s soccer.

This is why I’d love RA to take as much of a hit as possible to subsidise junior rego. Be the sport everyone can access. As they get older some will stay that never would have even tried it. Times are hard now and especially for families.
 
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NoName

Herbert Moran (7)
Wilson said:
Short version is a blanket no to relinquishing commercial control but they remain open to better alignment and centralisation from a high performance perspective.

The key part of that is probably this:

Basically, "show us a plan and how you arrived at it before we can come to an agreement". Pretty pointed remark about the right people in leadership roles too.
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"the right people in the right jobs"? Did the QRU use that phrase themselves, or was it paraphrased.

A bit "selfawarewolves" if they actually said in reference to high performance tbh.
 
LeCheese

LeCheese

Greg Davis (50)
The Ghost of Raelene said:
Still talking Soccer right?

The thing about a lot of the Soccer is the $350 is for your local club. If you then get into the rep side they slug you with that again then again at every stage. Then half the parents sign up to academy programs that are named Barcelona or whatever that are just franchises anyone can set up. These will cost you once more.

Along with any gear they need I know a few people spending over $1000 on kid’s soccer.

This is why I’d love Rugby Australia to take as much of a hit as possible to subsidise junior rego. Be the sport everyone can access. As they get older some will stay that never would have even tried it. Times are hard now and especially for families.
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Ah - missed that. Disregard then as my post was re: rugby.

I do wonder if RA are already taking a hit on junior rego already - but definitely agree that the more the better
 
Pfitzy

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
The Ghost of Raelene said:
I know Rugby Australia fees hurt a lot of suburban clubs in the seniors. It de incentivised having more grades.
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It's s sticky one - in pretty much every system across Australia, the individual pays their subs via the RugbyXplorer app, which has the insurance and participation fees built in.

NSW Subbies we pay by the grade:
$550 to Subbies
$1000 to RA
$2640 insurance

At $4190, if you sign up 25 players per grade, you're starting at a rego cost of $170 per head before giving them shorts, socks, or buying jerseys. Add a physio and tape for game day, maybe one at training, ground hire, balls, bus trips, equipment, etc. and you're quickly pushing north of $300.

And that's if you actually get them to pay...

If you take out that $1000 we pay RA for... well, nothing basically (!!!) and it would make my life a lot easier.

However, the local junior soccer starts around $350 for even the little kiddies. So not complaining too much.
 
stillmissit

stillmissit

Peter Johnson (47)
Pfitzy said:
It's s sticky one - in pretty much every system across Australia, the individual pays their subs via the RugbyXplorer app, which has the insurance and participation fees built in.

NSW Subbies we pay by the grade:
$550 to Subbies
$1000 to Rugby Australia
$2640 insurance

At $4190, if you sign up 25 players per grade, you're starting at a rego cost of $170 per head before giving them shorts, socks, or buying jerseys. Add a physio and tape for game day, maybe one at training, ground hire, balls, bus trips, equipment, etc. and you're quickly pushing north of $300.

And that's if you actually get them to pay...

If you take out that $1000 we pay Rugby Australia for... well, nothing basically (!!!) and it would make my life a lot easier.

However, the local junior soccer starts around $350 for even the little kiddies. So not complaining too much.
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It strikes me that we are putting hurdles in front of players we are already short of. This is where rugby Australia needs to be putting some money.
 
RugbyReg

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Chilla Wilson (44)
LeCheese said:
His target demo would be more millennials / older Gen Z - some of the stuff actual kids get their kicks from is... interesting
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Well it's those "kids" (I guess on the cusp of this bracket being an '82 model) who we need to be buying tickets
 
Jimmy_Crouch

Jimmy_Crouch

Peter Johnson (47)
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Wonderful insight from Stephen Moore still bitter about not getting a job.
 
Jimmy_Crouch

Jimmy_Crouch

Peter Johnson (47)
PhilClinton

PhilClinton

Mark Loane (55)
Moore’s suggestion of pushing Super Rugby funding of the Rebels and Force into their grassroots instead isn’t going to solve anything. Particularly not before the next RWC.
 
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