Australian Rugby / RA

[dru]

I don't see any future for super rugby at all, so the Brumbies, Reds, Waratahs, Force and Rebels don't figure in my vision of Australian rugby at all. I'm not anti-Brumby, I'm anti all of them.

I'm happy with your vision, but to me the attitude you have outlined is NSW-centric. More-so Sydney SRU-centric. For whatever reason, SRU clubs have never gotten behind the Waratahs. It isn't the case in Qld. And of course in Vic and WA the state Union franchise basically is the game pathway, to what extent the grass roots are naturally aligned to the franchise. In ACT you have a single club, the Vikings, who have (in the eyes of many) arrogated (assumed, taken control of) the Bumbies with only poorly formed resentment through traditional supporters of the other clubs.

Personally I'd prefer a model that was club based in NSW, but what happens elsewhere is far from clear and NSW would deserve everything if it followed that elsewhere had the shits with what NSW want and lampoon it from underneath. The rest of the rugby world would not deserve this, just the Sydney club element that has been rugby-xenophobic.

NSW clubs are as responsible for this mess as much as anyone.

QRU can respond positively to a revised structure that requires multiple teams from Qld but it is far from clear that this would be directly club based. Just think about the NRC. If the Brumbies are offered primacy, and ACT Rugby is offered funding for an alternate team, and the local development structures are held for those, maybe, maybe... perhaps not.

Force and Rebels I think could adjust to the change but IF what you want is forcing Force and Rebels to develop fundamentally locally, immediately, to protect NSW (and of course Qld) talent, and to see a plethora of clubs elevated from Sydney, well there will be more issues.

I'm not saying it shouldn't happen. Far from it I'm very likely to be enthusiastic about it. However if this leads to a "National" comp dominated by numbers from Sydney Clubs, and probably dominated in quality by the Brumbies - well the thinking is incomplete from the outset.

A solid point of agreement: Anything is better than Super.

 

[Left-Winger]

First time poster, very long time lurker.

Can we organise a protest at the RA headquarters? I'm being completely serious. EJ (Eddie Jones), the board, and the executive cannot be allowed to continue, and the people need to force them out.

Beyond that, there needs to be some sort of government inquiry into the decisions which led to this point, and the deeper structural issues. We cannot rely on internal reviews nor hope that the custodians of the game make the right decisions.

Decades of incompetence. Years of pain. So many of us have put thousands of hours into coaching, playing, and supporting, and we get nothing but false dawns and Sisyphean disappointment. Words cannot convey how upsetting it is.

We need to take back control of the game.

When works?

 

[Members Section]

So do we go down the path of someone like Dan Mckellar who is tried & tested with some success or do we completely blow it up & look at a northern or south african & go totally against the grain & reset completely how we play from junior rep side & up

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

First time poster, very long time lurker.

Can we organise a protest at the Rugby Australia headquarters? I'm being completely serious. EJ (Eddie Jones) (Eddie Jones), the board, and the executive cannot be allowed to continue, and the people need to force them out.

Beyond that, there needs to be some sort of government inquiry into the decisions which led to this point, and the deeper structural issues. We cannot rely on internal reviews nor hope that the custodians of the game make the right decisions.

Decades of incompetence. Years of pain. So many of us have put thousands of hours into coaching, playing, and supporting, and we get nothing but false dawns and Sisyphean disappointment. Words cannot convey how upsetting it is.

We need to take back control of the game.

When works?

Send the invite pls with Teams link.

 

[HooperPocockSmith]

We need to scale back and concentrate our talent both in the playing and coaching stocks. Apologies to my WA and VIC brethren but those sides need to be culled. Spread our best players and coaches among the three remaining sides. Hopefully we can produce some good results in Super Rugby and some confidence for the wallabies.

 

[Dismal Pillock]

Apologies to my WA and VIC brethren but those sides need to be culled.

 

[Pfitzy]

Apologies to my WA and VIC brethren but those sides need to be culled. Spread our best players and coaches among the three remaining sides.

(Steven Hoiles Joined The Chat)

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Well if a cull happens (again in our case), I'm out. Australian rugby and the Wallabies would no longer represent me.

 

[HooperPocockSmith]

I personally don’t mind who we flick but they would be the most likely.
There’s no way we can justify 5 teams. Get WA and Vic involved in a national comp but Super Rugby is a bridge too far.

 

[Pfitzy]

It was funny hearing Hoiles say "club rugby is pumping" in the studio this morning.

Does he ever think in shades of anything other than Myrtle Green?

 

[dru]

Well if a cull happens (again in our case), I'm out. Australian rugby and the Wallabies would no longer represent me.

I'm close to "out" this morning, but if a cull happens it is easily over for me.

 

[HooperPocockSmith]

How do we have the interest to sustain a national comp that would supplement our needs for high quality rugby? We will cement our spot as a Tier 2 nation if we forgo Super Rugby.

 

[dru]

Super Rugby is a bridge too far.

FIFY.

 

[Derpus]

Well if a cull happens (again in our case), I'm out. Australian rugby and the Wallabies would no longer represent me.

They should cut all of them are build a real competition in its place IMO.

 

[HooperPocockSmith]

What benefit does having 5 Super Rugby teams provide? Other than a full time salary for a significant proportion of players that are no better than clubbies.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Can’t wait for that message to make it to the West eventually.

 

[HooperPocockSmith]

They should cut all of them are build a real competition in its place IMO.

What does this look like? Where does the money come from? Super Rugby isn’t perfect but I don’t understand how can we sustain a national comp by further diluting our talent.

 

[Tomthumb]

What benefit does having 5 Super Rugby teams provide? Other than a full time salary for a significant proportion of players that are no better than clubbies.

What tier 1 nation only has 3 Professional rugby teams?

 

[HooperPocockSmith]

What tier 1 nation only has 3 Professional rugby teams?

Ireland have 4.
Scotland have 2.
Wales have 4.
Italy have 2.

 

[HooperPocockSmith]

Are we any better than these nations? Or do we just think we are?