Goosestep
Jim Clark (26)
That’s the way it’s been for decades.. maybe this will change things …
Australian Rugby / RA
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Doritos Day
Johnnie Wallace (23)
The AFL ran a similar concept with the Foxtel Cup and no one took it seriously so it died. Granted games were midweek throughout the regular season of the actual competitions so not hard to see why.
But if the big teams don't see any incentive to perform well it could go south really quickly.
But if the big teams don't see any incentive to perform well it could go south really quickly.
The Ghost of Raelene
Simon Poidevin (60)
JS having a really good game for the Roosters tonight. Kicking for goal well as well which is nice to see.
Wish people wouldn’t just regurgitate what Phil Gould or Paul Crawley put in the Daily Telegraph.
Wish people wouldn’t just regurgitate what Phil Gould or Paul Crawley put in the Daily Telegraph.
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
NRC never worked because SRU (Premier Rugby here in Sydney) threw their toys out of the cot. At least, the powerbrokers on their board did.
If we accept this is the reality, then the only vehicle that will satisfy them is a competition between existing clubs.
This immediatley creates a local arms race - over and above what already exists - that will continue the erosion of Premier clubs not in the golden circle. The same powerbrokers who lead SRU around by the nose will pump their half-dozen clubs at the expense of everyone else.
What they don't realise is that rugby people like me don't give a brass razoo for Premier Rugby. So it isn't going to grow the game.
In fairness, neither did the NRC - it was designed to facilitate player development, much like ITM Cup/NPC in NZ.
We end up at a point where 6 semipro clubs in Sydney still have the power, but now the rest have no resources whatsoever, and more people walk away from the game.
If this is really where we're heading under RA leadership, you can douse it in petrol and set it on fire. At least it'll keep me warm while I'm figuring out what to do next.
OF COURSE there may be a way to mitigate this: hive off the top 25 players from each club with the money to pay and transport their players, and leave the rest in their local city comp to fight it out under Hospital/Shute/Dent/Dewar/etc.
I still won't give a flying rodent's hindquarters for the comp.
If we accept this is the reality, then the only vehicle that will satisfy them is a competition between existing clubs.
This immediatley creates a local arms race - over and above what already exists - that will continue the erosion of Premier clubs not in the golden circle. The same powerbrokers who lead SRU around by the nose will pump their half-dozen clubs at the expense of everyone else.
What they don't realise is that rugby people like me don't give a brass razoo for Premier Rugby. So it isn't going to grow the game.
In fairness, neither did the NRC - it was designed to facilitate player development, much like ITM Cup/NPC in NZ.
We end up at a point where 6 semipro clubs in Sydney still have the power, but now the rest have no resources whatsoever, and more people walk away from the game.
If this is really where we're heading under RA leadership, you can douse it in petrol and set it on fire. At least it'll keep me warm while I'm figuring out what to do next.
OF COURSE there may be a way to mitigate this: hive off the top 25 players from each club with the money to pay and transport their players, and leave the rest in their local city comp to fight it out under Hospital/Shute/Dent/Dewar/etc.
I still won't give a flying rodent's hindquarters for the comp.
Goosestep
Jim Clark (26)
The NRC didn’t work because it disjoined the the supporters with the clubs
eg Easts rugby became a feeder for the country NRC side - huh ?
and Balmain (who never should have been in it for starters ) and Sydney Uni became feeders for Sydney East NRC …lol
it made no fricken Sense
Rebel man
John Thornett (49)
There are reasons for that, half the AFL teams and most in Victoria have their own seconds or at least a direct affiliation with a VFL club.
Seconds sides and affiliates weren’t allowed to take part
Sword of Justice
Arch Winning (36)
Like the Shute Shield, success shouldn't have been defined by the NRC's own bottom line. Rather, the long term benefit to rugby in Australia. An investment.
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
Ha Ha.
hoggy
Nev Cottrell (35)
Bingo, yet people actually think this will work.
its odd though - the rugby was excellent yet people get caught up in the jerseys? Bizarre.
RebelYell
Arch Winning (36)
NRC produced some wonderful talent. It didn't work commercially.
How about a competition with the 6 Super Teams (incl. Drua) playing their B teams, and the winners of that year's Shute Shield & QPR joining as standalone teams? Two pools of 4, 6 matches (home and away), Semis and a Final? Any players who've starred in Club Rugby at any state level can be used as top up players for the Super B teams.
How about a competition with the 6 Super Teams (incl. Drua) playing their B teams, and the winners of that year's Shute Shield & QPR joining as standalone teams? Two pools of 4, 6 matches (home and away), Semis and a Final? Any players who've starred in Club Rugby at any state level can be used as top up players for the Super B teams.
The Ghost of Raelene
Simon Poidevin (60)
NRC was a nice idea but it had too many teams tbh. Some players were out there who shouldn’t have been because others said no thanks when asked to play.
It’s been my opinion that a Super Rugby A comp would be my preference. Wrote it on the other threat about no NRC what now so I won’t punish everyone doing it again.
It’s been my opinion that a Super Rugby A comp would be my preference. Wrote it on the other threat about no NRC what now so I won’t punish everyone doing it again.
hoggy
Nev Cottrell (35)
The problem with this strategy is you are still adding another layer or competition to try to fix another issue.
The problem with Australian rugby is it is reliant on the Wallabies as a growth and revenue driver, however this is becoming increasingly hard to do with a relatively declining player & supporter base. "Its hard to be number 1 when replacing the tires on a Datsun 180B.
The solution to Australian rugby is to grow the game at a Tier 2 level which will lead to greater growth at a domestic level, which means you either have to fix Super rugby or replace it with something that will do that job.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
The fact is, if those involved in ACT rugby can set aside their grumblings and get behind the Vikings logo and colours to represent Canberra so their players can push their case for higher representation, then maybe...
Just maybe...
The NSWRU and Shute Shield need to just grow the fuck up?
That just aint gonna happen.
Rob42
Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Have you met the NSWRU and Shute Shield?
hoggy
Nev Cottrell (35)
I don’t have a dog or bone in the Shute Shield, the only thing I know about it is from a few replays of games I've watched on Stan.
But after 25 years of Super Rugby, with what 5 countries & how many continents involved, the $Billions spent on this competition and how many now defunct professional Sporting Teams, that had cash literally thrown at them.
Yet it seems easier to blame the woes of Australian rugby on a dozen or so insular essentially amateur Suburban Sydney Rugby clubs, now that part I just don't get.
But after 25 years of Super Rugby, with what 5 countries & how many continents involved, the $Billions spent on this competition and how many now defunct professional Sporting Teams, that had cash literally thrown at them.
Yet it seems easier to blame the woes of Australian rugby on a dozen or so insular essentially amateur Suburban Sydney Rugby clubs, now that part I just don't get.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
That's a tad disingenuous...
But they...
They being the governing bodies of as you so accurately describe, those insular clubs...
Have certainly have had a strong hand in preventing Australian rugby from strengthening its professional pathways.