Australian Rugby / RA

[RedsHappy]

Alan Jones analysis is that participating in Super footy is losing money...
The only things that can fix Rugby in Australia is to go back to to two provinces, and to stop calling themselves Reds & Waratahs.
Oh,and to appoint Alan Jones as Wallaby coach.
Seriously

Everyone has strong opinions re AJ but what I like is at least there is a voice of hard protest getting some premium attacking airtime re the state of the code today.

Right now the AJ rugby comments story is upper front page of the SMH online.

Australian rugby today badly lacks any form of coherent, organised protest movement designed to, for example, unseat the ARU board.

 

[A mutterer]

notice that the daily league rag was putting forward expansion into ipswich and ... perth ...

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

For those that can find this article or get behind the paywall, AJ's video interview re the state of Australian rugby today is quite interesting IMO:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...s/news-story/6c90c1bee97ea47fbdb5cb864f45b3c1

Sorry, anything that spews from his mouth is nothing more than a complete load of shit. Seriously. His musings are even more retrgrade than the 'back to the future' crowd.

 

[wamberal]

Jones had his day. It was a very long time ago.

 

[TOCC]

Doesn't mean his opinion isn't valid.. He comes with little baggage and club affiliation but has enough expertise to know what he is talking about..

 

[chibimatty]

notice that the daily league rag was putting forward expansion into ipswich and . perth .

Cutting WA might be a godsend for RL, I know Aranmore College runs both codes, they could funnel their talents into the new NRL team, along with with other rugby code schools.

 

[brokendown]

yeah how in his day NSW and Queensland were unbeatable-they(or one of them) actually beat Manawatu.!!
ffs hardly a nz powerhouse union(even back then)

 

[formerflanker]

Alan Jones has made a huge contribution to the debate about the current state of ill health of Australian rugby.
He is dead right when he said:

• Schools are putting more emphasis on AFL and soccer.
• Lack of ARU investment into club rugby must be changed.
• huge logistical expenses in mounting a Super campaign.
• traditional names of teams changed and fans not going along with it
• the game is boring when in 80 minutes you get 20 minutes of rugby
• The current number of Super Rugby teams must be slashed
• "Pick up your paper today, and you'll have to turn 15 pages in to find any mention of rugby."
• "We have to pur money into the grassroots".

Many of those points have been made on this forum too.

 

[lou75]

I suppose one way to look at things would be that more Government money could be allocated - that way Pulver would get the pat on the back from the board for increasing revenues.
At the moment, Pulver is paid close to $1m salary and he doesn't seem to have any KPIs to achieve to keep his job, he is after all looking to extend his contract - who wouldn't?
As far as the franchises are concerned, they don't need to win, they just need to play to get paid, no KPIs there, if sponsorships and memberships slip, the ARU has in the past slipped the franchise a golden handshake, no problems mate.
So a disastrous season with the threat of closing franchises could be just the ticket to win more funding from the golden public purse.

 

[Strewthcobber]

At the moment, Pulver is paid close to $1m salary and he doesn't seem to have any KPIs to achieve to keep his job, he is after all looking to extend his contract - who wouldn't?

I'd imagine Billy P had one KPI from the board over the last couple of years - get the ARU out of the financial dire straights. To his credit, he seems to have achieved this.

His challenge will be the next term which will have a broader range of criteria - linked to the strategic plan that the board put in place last year (and have already reviewed!)

He's going to have his work cut out for him on multiple fronts

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[Gnostic]

I'd imagine Billy P had one KPI from the board over the last couple of years - get the ARU out of the financial dire straights. To his credit, he seems to have achieved this.



His challenge will be the next term which will have a broader range of criteria - linked to the strategic plan that the board put in place last year (and have already reviewed!)



He's going to have his work cut out for him on multiple fronts



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The headline says that. But the same headline accountancy said the sub-prime investments were all top grade. They said HIH was solvent and profitable right up to the time it filed for bankruptcy.

I am very suspicious of the manipulations that those in charge make especially when they are extremely evasive an non-transparent about the organisation.

I look at the ARU and I wonder what hidden clauses they have signed up to but gloss over and hope these liabilities never eventuate, or occur after they have taken their golden handshake. Such as the alleged/implied guarantees in the Rebels "Private Equity" deal.

 

[Strewthcobber]

The headline says that. But the same headline accountancy said the sub-prime investments were all top grade. They said HIH was solvent and profitable right up to the time it filed for bankruptcy.

I am very suspicious of the manipulations that those in charge make especially when they are extremely evasive an non-transparent about the organisation.

I look at the ARU and I wonder what hidden clauses they have signed up to but gloss over and hope these liabilities never eventuate, or occur after they have taken their golden handshake. Such as the alleged/implied guarantees in the Rebels "Private Equity" deal.

Don't need to worry about anything that complicated mate.

Worry how the ARU is going to deal with another world cup year shortfall + fewer tests the year after without a Lions tour or England 3 match series for 2 cycles

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[Gnostic]

Don't need to worry about anything that complicated mate.



Worry how the ARU is going to deal with another world cup year shortfall + fewer tests the year after without a Lions tour or England 3 match series for 2 cycles



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That is still 2.5 years away. They have to make it that far. I am sure they will not. In a way I think it would be better to have a quick explosion that allows a full clean out and complete rebuild. This long slow death is actually destroying the foundations of the game.

 

[Ulrich]

You guys deserve some of this. Mark Ella and the gang Aussie schools.

Not unlike the way the Hurricanes play to be honest.

 

[TOCC]

I dunno Ulrich, that's kind of depressing to watch know what once was

 

[Ulrich]

I dunno Ulrich, that's kind of depressing to watch know what once was

To me it signals a few things.

1. Australian rugby can reach those heights again.

2. The talent has always been there.

3. You are innovators and you just need the right Aussie coach to innovate once more.

 

[Dave Beat]

Back in the day;
politics in rugby wasnt rife,
people played for enjoyment,
teachers at schools world coach,
you would have a drink out of a hose,
you didnt need to wear helmets when you went for a bike ride,
you played rain, hail, or shine,
it was tackle from the u 6s up
it was proper 15 man rugby from u9s.

 

[RugbyReg]

Wait. There was a time when politics wasn't rife in rugby? When was this???

For a week or so back in the early 20th century?


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[zer0]

Wait. There was a time when politics wasn't rife in rugby? When was this???

For a week or so back in the early 20th century?

There's an opportunity for a WWI trench comment in there, but I feel as though it'd be as popular as stroll through the 1917 Ypres countryside.

 

[formerflanker]

You guys deserve some of this. Mark Ella and the gang Aussie schools.

A simple "like" is insufficient. Thanks very much Ulrich.