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Australia Vs. England, Twickenham, 2nd November 2013

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Stirling Mortlock (74)
You should look up the stats.

I just did........

On average he seems to make less tackles than anyone in our backrow.........

Edit: He did have a couple of games earlier in the RC where he was one of our top tacklers, but there weren't a lot of tackles being made in the pack......... and his % seems high because he doesn't attempt as many tackles as others..........
 

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Tim Horan (67)
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Why would you compare him to the backrow? He is one of our top tacklers and his completion rate is in the 90% range. Timani isn't close to that.
 

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Jimmy Flynn (14)
Assuming that Timani will come into the side. Will lose ability at the lineout but hopefully our scrum improves with Timani there
 

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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Why would you compare him to the backrow? He is one of our top tacklers and his completion rate is in the 90% range.

I expect a heavy workrate from our locks.......

His completion rate is higher because he attempts less tackles:

Simmons: 48/53 (91%) 7 tests (518mins)
Horwill: 34/49 (69%) 5 tests (365mins)
Fardy 64/71 (90%) 5 tests (360 mins) *only played 9 mins in Bled I
Hooper 70/89 (79%) 7 tests (524 mins)
Mowen 65/83 (78%) 7 tests (533 mins)
 

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Stirling Mortlock (74)
It's a shame that Horwill isn't having a much deserved rest.......

This could've been the opportunity to have a locking pair of Fardy/Timani, shifting Mowen to 6 and leaving McCalman at 8........

The lineout might not be as strong, but it might stiffen up the scrum (would require Robinson at LH) and I'd bet we'd see a back 5 with a high workrate and more impact........
 

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Tony Shaw (54)
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Simmons out...

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/simmons-ruled-out-of-wallabies-test-20131031-2wi0g.html

Now, I was under the impression that Mowen had been calling the lineouts all year?

He was definitely running them under Deans during the Lions' series, and appeared to continue doing so under Link....

So, this line is bamboozling:



However, that might also just be lazy journalism from Jim Morton, as Georgina Robinson states:



Now that seems to indicate that Mowen and Simmons share the role, or that Simmons was the backup (obviously)...

I hardly see how having the best lineout operator in the country take sole control of the lineout is worrying, unless of course he's off the field like in Bled II when the lineout disintegrated (under Simmons' watch)...

It's only worrying if there's any truth in the idea that Horwill, who has never run a lineout, somehow needs to offer assistance...


Appreantly only calling 'some' of the linouts...

Simmons has been a rock in defence and calls some of the lineouts, so his absence will put enormous pressure on Australia.

From Jamie Pandaram on Rugby Gold. And a rock in defence too, strange that because I thought he was leaking tackles. Guess I'm seeing one-eyed because I'd rather see Timani in there for him. Guess I will get my wish this weekend.
 

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Tony Shaw (54)
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BTW. Wobs by 10. England haven't played in months, they've lost their best front-rower and lock (lineout master apparently) and we're gaining some momentum here.
 

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Jim Lenehan (48)
No Simmons is a loss from my point of view. He put the Blacks under pressure at the lineout last week, I think he is starting to come into his own as a test player and I see him as a starter come the WC. Also I think that prevent us benching Horwill.

I expected we'd have a major advantage in the lineouts following Parlings withdrawal. Show be pretty even now.

Timani will at least mean our scrum should be rock solid, which is the most important thing at Twickenham.

Do we have a team sheet yet?
 

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John Hipwell (52)
I expect a heavy workrate from our locks...

His completion rate is higher because he attempts less tackles:

Simmons: 48/53 (91%) 7 tests (518mins)
Horwill: 34/49 (69%) 5 tests (365mins)
Fardy 64/71 (90%) 5 tests (360 mins) *only played 9 mins in Bled I
Hooper 70/89 (79%) 7 tests (524 mins)
Mowen 65/83 (78%) 7 tests (533 mins)



95% confidence interval using your stats
Simmons - (0.833,0.987)
Horwill - (0.561,0.819)
Fardy - (0.831,0.969)
Hooper - (0.705,0.875)
Mowen - (0.691,0.869)

The only statistically significant results are Simmons and Fardy over Horwill.

His workrate is lower but that has no bearing on his completion stats. If someone wants to post tackles from each game played I can post a box plot which will be a lot more useful in trying to determine tackle rate. But to do it properly we need to look at lineouts and ruck involvements also.
 

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Mark Ella (57)
Horwill supposedly had been dropped and Timani to start in his place with Simmo

It seems the injury to Simmo has given Horwill a reprieve. A new captain must have been announced (if Horwill wasn't playing)

Question now is who will be captain - Horwill or Ben Mowen or Genia. Fuck, the dynamics of that choice could be huge. Reckon Genia should not be burdened with the responsibility of captaincy - let him just concentrate on HIS game - the team will do so much better if he plays well.

Personally if Horwill is playing then he should also be captain
 

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Ron Walden (29)
1. Mako Vunipola
2. Tom Youngs
3. Dan Cole
4. Joe Launchbury
5. Courtney Lawes
6. Tom Wood
7. Chris Robshaw
8. Billy Vunipula
9. Lee Dickson
10. Owen Farrell
11. Marland Yarde
12. Billy Twelvetrees
13. Joel Tomkins
14. Chris Ashton
15. Mike Brown

16. Dylan Hartley
17. Joe Marler
18. David Wilson
19. David Attwood
20. Ben Morgan
21. Ben Youngs
22. Toby Flood
23. Ben Foden

English media have confirmed this is the team.
 
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