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Australia v British & Irish Lions, 3rd Test (Sydney)

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Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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I think McCalman is a poor selection given both Kimlin and MMM are available.

There is nothing he can do they can't, apart from play openside flanker badly.

Is it potentially a case of a known quantity who is likely to get the job done?

If Kimlin or MMM were on the bench they'd be very fired up and whilst that could be good or it could be bad, it might not be what we need at the time.

I'm guessing McCalman will be told that he's cover for George Smith and that if George can't last 80 minutes, McCalman has to see out the end of the game, make his tackles, clean out rucks and whatever happens, don't make a mistake.

I'd be more comfortable relying on McCalman to see out 10 minutes and do plenty of work and not make a mistake than Kimlin or MMM who would come on fired up with something to prove and could potentially give away a costly penalty.

I'm just speculating. McCalman wouldn't have been my pick either.
 

rugbysmartarse

Alan Cameron (40)
Imagine.....

Friday training, unfortunate injury, Davies is down! Who can come in to the side at this late stage?

second coming of BOD

Gatland is a sneaky fucker....
 

Try-ranosaurus Rex

Darby Loudon (17)
Imagine...

Friday training, unfortunate injury, Davies is down! Who can come in to the side at this late stage?

second coming of BOD

Gatland is a sneaky fucker..

Yes and Gatland was on the grassy knol when JFK was shot
 
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daz

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Arrive Sydney 5pm Friday. Leave Sydney 10am Sunday.

It's the bit in-between that has me all excited.

Based at Darling Harbour. Beers? Yeah, I might have a few.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
I think the choice of Mogg is so that AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) can stay at 13 in the case of any other back getting injured except for AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper). If Horne was on the bench then AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) probably has to move if 11, 14, 15 and possibly 10 get injured.

I'd guess that the backup plan if JOC (James O'Connor) gets injured is Beale to 10 and Mogg to fullback, not Lilo to 10. That plan would have had to be reversed if Horne was the player on the bench.

If JOC (James O'Connor) gets injured then Beale stays at 10 and we need a new quarter back to walk around 5-10 behind the ruck.
 

Athilnaur

Arch Winning (36)
Theres been some really good posts to decode Deans thinking re McCalman and a 6 2 bench, but I still think no Kimlin is a cock up!
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Theres been some really good posts to decode Deans thinking re McCalman and a 6 2 bench, but I still think no Kimlin is a cock up!

You'd need an enigma machine to decode Deans think I suspect. Just when you think he's learnt from 5 years of over-complication, he comes up with this.
 

Zander

Ron Walden (29)
The only thing I can think of is McCalman has more runs on the board vs Ireland/Wales (the backrow) than Kimlin and McMeniman.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Interesting listening to the Irish about no Bod, they aren't happy.

More interesting was the comments about the lack of leaders in the Lions side.

When it gets hard, who in the Lions lead/rally the troupes?

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Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Just received an email from ANZ Stadium, they seem to have a bit going on

Read this and got really excited about the test. Wish I could be there to soak it all in. Scrolled down a few posts and wish I hadn't, the talk about selection reminded me of Gatland's picks and I got depressed all over again.

Still I have enough of being down about it. Nothing I can do now. The teams are picked so it's time to get supporting. As much as I dislike Gatland I hope he becomes a Lions legend by delivering a series win on Saturday.

Hope it's an excellent game of rugby and by hook or by crook I'll see all of you guys in 12 years time for the next one.
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Interesting listening to the Irish about no Bod, they aren't happy.

More interesting was the comments about the lack of leaders in the Lions side.

When it gets hard, who in the Lions lead/rally the troupes?

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The Lions will have more captains sitting in the stands than on the field by a long way. After AWJ I guess it would be Adam Jones then that's about it for the pack. In the backs Sexton seems to be someone people naturally look to. Many have credited his half time speech for the incredible come back Leinster made against Northampton in the HEC final a few years ago.
 

Swat

Chilla Wilson (44)
On a positive note, if AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) get's injured Beale will probably come into 10, Mogg to 15 and JOC (James O'Connor) to 13, something that a lot of people have been wanting to see trialled for quite a while. Who know's, it might be another masterstroke of luck for Robbie Deans. One final piece of frittataed coaching before getting the boot.
 

Boomer

Alfred Walker (16)
Theres been some really good posts to decode Deans thinking re McCalman and a 6 2 bench, but I still think no Kimlin is a cock up!


I think a lot of people are forgetting Kimlin will not be playing in Oz next year.

Ben McC has signed up. The ARU is right to back their players, particularly a younger player.
 

Athilnaur

Arch Winning (36)
They're both in the squad and the job is to win. In a lineball scenario sure, go for longevity but I don't think it's lineball.
 

Zander

Ron Walden (29)
I think a lot of people are forgetting Kimlin will not be playing in Oz next year.

Ben McC has signed up. The ARU is right to back their players, particularly a younger player.

Yes another factor along with his experience vs Ireland and Wales. Starting to make more sense.
 

Boomer

Alfred Walker (16)
They're both in the squad and the job is to win. In a lineball scenario sure, go for longevity but I don't think it's lineball.


Maybe not a game changer but you know what you're going to get.

Kimlin? There are known knowns. These are things that we know. There are known unknowns...
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Kimlin undoubtedly had an absolute blinder in the Brumbies game against the Lions. Whilst he has had an excellent season, using that one game purely as the benchmark for his form is also a bit misleading. He isn't that good every week.

For much of that game, the Lions hooker was Best who had an absolute shocker. Expecting someone who dominanted their lineout in that game to do the same against a much better performing hooker is also flawed.

I would have had no issue with Kimlin being selected but I figure the selection of McCalman is for the reliability he brings. I also only see him getting on the field if George Smith can't go 80 minutes.

I expect the first backrow substitution unless there is an injury is Hooper coming on for Palu and Mowen shifting to 8 (whether Smith shifts to 6 or Hooper plays there is somewhat unknown and probably not that relevant. Smith will be more focused on competing at the breakdown whichever position he is packing in the scrum).

Unless Smith is stuffed after 50 minutes and needs to be replaced by Hooper I expect we'll see both Hooper and Smith on the field at the same time. That will certainly be the plan.

1. Kimlin has played outstanding football all year. Admittedly, his hands were better in the game against the Lions than I've ever seen them, but all in all he has performed very well all year.

2. I would contend that Kimlin's superiority in the line out probably contributed to Best's poor performance throwing in. In any case, he won quite a bit of ball on the Lions' throw, more so than the throw was penalised iirc. And he retained supremacy after Best was replaced by Hibbard.

3. Why would McCalman replace George when Hooper is on the bench. I hope you can remember the stuff up that was McC playing 7 in the RWC.

4. What happens if Mowen goes down? Assume Simmons comes on to call the line outs and Horwill goes to 6. Again has not worked in the past. Kimlin would be a better 6 replacement and he can call the line outs.

5. Lions would more likely be shitting their pants about Kimlin coming on. Ben McC doesn't put fear into anyone.

I cannot really see any legitimate reason for Ben's inclusion on the bench. An extra back would be of much greater value.
 
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Paradox

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Interesting listening to the Irish about no Bod, they aren't happy.

More interesting was the comments about the lack of leaders in the Lions side.

When it gets hard, who in the Lions lead/rally the troupes?

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They've dropped BOD and Heaslip - the current Irish captain. Oz has gained another leader in Smith.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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3. Why would McCalman replace George when Hooper is on the bench. I hope you can remember the stuff up that was McC playing 7 in the RWC.


I think the concern is that Hooper will already be on the field before they know whether Smith can last 80 minutes.
 
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