Up the Guts
Steve Williams (59)
ESPN stats have Pumas 12 Chocobares as making 1 pass with no runs. Don't think I've ever seen an inside centre play nearly the whole game and not make a single run.
On the face of it, both TT and Hooper looked to be below par on the attacking stats. But did they make up in their defensive efforts, I wonder? I think that TT was probably given an instruction to hit everything that moved, and Hooper generally plays wider which probably accounts for his poor looking stats. But probably also highlights why some here think he doesn't play as a forward but more as an extra back.
One thing I take away from the numbers is that Sio is playing better in general than a lot of posters are giving him credit for.
One thing I take away from the numbers is that Sio is playing better in general than a lot of posters are giving him credit for.
ESPN stats have Pumas 12 Chocobares as making 1 pass with no runs. Don't think I've ever seen an inside centre play nearly the whole game and not make a single run.
It shows once again that TT is better off finishing in serious tests at this stage unless AAA is injured. AAA is more technically correct and also has a big motor. Let him play for 40-45 to blunt the enthusiasm of the opposition.Our bench on the weekend offered nothing. We need impact and to come home strong. TBF Valetini looked pretty good.
Cyclo, I reckon there is a fair bit of variation in players' involvements disclosed in those figures. What it all means though is anybody's guess.
On the number of runs, I'd say that Sio, BPA, TT and Hooper look to be slackers. However, the game plan might have been for the front rowers to concentrate on defense and that might explain their low numbers.
On metres gained, TT and Hooper look to be poor. But I understand a lot of the metres gained occur before reaching the defense, in which case it's not a very good measure imo. The measure of metres/run that you allude to suffers the same problem imo.
Post contact metres is probably the most telling measure, and on that score BPA, TT, Simmons and Hooper performed relatively badly.
On the face of it, both TT and Hooper looked to be below par on the attacking stats. But did they make up in their defensive efforts, I wonder? I think that TT was probably given an instruction to hit everything that moved, and Hooper generally plays wider which probably accounts for his poor looking stats. But probably also highlights why some here think he doesn't play as a forward but more as an extra back.
One thing I take away from the numbers is that Sio is playing better in general than a lot of posters are giving him credit for.
I’m sure Tate will be back next week. I’d also guess that we will not see L.Wright or Jake Gordon again any time soon in the Wallabies 23.Interesting Rennie doesn't seem big on impact players on the bench. He seems to be picking players to "have a look at them" or based on overall skillset over 80mins i.e. Gordon over Tate.
I like Rennie and don't mind the majority of his selections and tactics, but my one big criticism is his use or lack thereof of impact players from the bench.
You would think both Samu and Tate would be consistent impact bench players (if not starting).
TT was below his best, doing the things that he does when he's off his game - soft penalties (at least two offsides), getting involved in niggle, just generally off the pace. I wonder if the bench role is better for him long term.
Sio was good until his last 10 minutes where he conceded those two critical scrum penalties.
The eye test wasn't great for Hooper either.
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Considering that we had a make shift 10, and a 12 who has played a few games at 13 in the Soup, I would say our backline functioned very well indeed.
Not really. When you're looking at small numbers, the data becomes almost meaningless - one good run with PCM skews your data more. For those with higher numbers of runs, the average metres / run and average PCM / run look pretty similar. Simmons aside.
Hard to say any have been "poor" given that we have no idea what their remit was from the coaching team. That said, I'd be very surprised if Simmons was sent out to "make a lot of runs and metres", given that has never been his strong suit, rather the set piece. I'd also be surprised if Tupou was told to just target defence, given he is likely to play 40 mins only, and is usually a pretty effective ball runner.
I think the issue most posters have with Sio is in the scrum.
He's probably still feeling out his players but man some options i don't get. I think a player like Valetini is far more likely to have an impact starting. Same with L. Wright. These guys don't seem like amazing bench options. And no Samu, who is the perfect bench player?Interesting Rennie doesn't seem big on impact players on the bench. He seems to be picking players to "have a look at them" or based on overall skillset over 80mins i.e. Gordon over Tate.
I like Rennie and don't mind the majority of his selections and tactics, but my one big criticism is his use or lack thereof of impact players from the bench.
You would think both Samu and Tate would be consistent impact bench players (if not starting).
I don’t get this take. TT & Ala'alatoa played the same minutes. They had the same number of runs with Ala'alatoa getting 5 more metres. Tupou made 4 tackles/1 miss v Ala'alatoa 2 tackles no misses. Tupou’s tackles helped set the tone in the first half when we were noticeably better. The scrum was also noticeably stronger when Tupou was on and he forced a penalty and was close to getting two more. There is no evidence, and there has been none all year that Ala'alatoa has a bigger motor - actually the opposite with the consistency of Tupou’s explosive efforts above anything Ala'alatoa produced. I know Nick Bishop wrote a very good piece outlining the value of Ala'alatoa on the tight but Tupou is a better runner, tackler, scrummager and ball player and he was a key contributor in the first half when we were well on top. We didn’t perform as well in the period Ala'alatoa was on the field.It shows once again that TT is better off finishing in serious tests at this stage unless AAA is injured. AAA is more technically correct and also has a big motor. Let him play for 40-45 to blunt the enthusiasm of the opposition.Our bench on the weekend offered nothing. We need impact and to come home strong. TBF Valetini looked pretty good.
I don’t get this take. TT & Ala'alatoa played the same minutes. They had the same number of runs with Ala'alatoa getting 5 more metres. Tupou made 4 tackles/1 miss v Ala'alatoa 2 tackles no misses. Tupou’s tackles helped set the tone in the first half when we were noticeably better. The scrum was also noticeably stronger when Tupou was on and he forced a penalty and was close to getting two more. There is no evidence, and there has been none all year that Ala'alatoa has a bigger motor - actually the opposite with the consistency of Tupou’s explosive efforts above anything Ala'alatoa produced. I know Nick Bishop wrote a very good piece outlining the value of Ala'alatoa on the tight but Tupou is a better runner, tackler, scrummager and ball player and he was a key contributor in the first half when we were well on top. We didn’t perform as well in the period Ala'alatoa was on the field.
Tupou also gave away 2 penalties (Ala'alatoa none) and I’d assume his penalty count is higher than Allan’s - so if you argued he needed to be benched to give him a kick up the bum I’d disagree but i think you’d at least have an argument.
But IMO even allowing for the 2 penalties his net contribution was positive.
I like Ala'alatoa and we are fortunate to have two such good props - but if Tupou was off his game in the weekend Ala'alatoa must have been even more, so why reward him with a start?
At the end of the day Tupou is our best THP and he showed on the weekend his dynamic play is just as valuable in the opening exchanges as it is at the end.