Rebel man
John Thornett (49)
Hockings, Lucas, Kerevi, Skelton, Arnold, Koroibete, Ainsley and so on
Aussie Player Exodus
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Rebel man
John Thornett (49)
Even if it’s 5% of the total value of the contract. It’s something
Wallaby Man
Nev Cottrell (35)
Under a transfer system like football every one of these wouldn’t of got a $$ from another club.
All either moved at end of contract (free transfer) or moved because contract was in breach (Covid pay reduction). FIFA does have some u21 rule that requires compensation but hard to explain.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Hence the requirement for longer contracts
Wallaby Man
Nev Cottrell (35)
Legally it doesn’t work that way. Why would a player or another business pay someone else financial compensation when there was no binding contract between the parties any more. It would have to be applied across all industries and all business, it just wouldn’t happen.
We don't have enough contracts available to be able to hand out long contracts to relatively untested players.
At the value of most of our contracts players are never going to agree to be shipped off to somewhere else like happens in other sports.
Wallaby Man
Nev Cottrell (35)
Perhaps RA contracting going forward should include buy out clauses. Say Tupou $1m if another team wanted his services during his contract period. Maybe this would encourage French clubs etc, however would then require the player to agree to the destination and contractual terms on the other end as well.
Wilson
Phil Kearns (64)
That's not really any different from what already happens, foreign clubs can already make an offer to buy out a players contract. I can't see any benefit in inviting that attention though, it would only be disruptive and could end up inflating player wages.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Shoosh
Wallaby Man
Nev Cottrell (35)
Likewise no player going to sign a 4yr $85k deal. Can earn more on a worksite. Or any franchise offer large amounts for 5yr deal with the risk of injury, when the salary cap is low as it is. French clubs can absorb some unavailable players in their cap space if injuries arise over time.
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
That’s basically the definition of putting money into something though. Owning the Force didn’t come free, especially during the global rapid rugby period.
100%. Lots of people have suggested that we should just sign up players to far less player friendly contracts but the reality is that any half decent player isn't going to accept that.
Marce
John Hipwell (52)
Are u the scout of SRU?
Yes, they don't have TVs in Scotland so they had to send Highlander35 to Australia to check out whether we had any good rugby players with Scottish heritage.
Wilson
Phil Kearns (64)
The first 34 were lost at sea
Marce
John Hipwell (52)
In fact, I live overseas and is quite difficult to follow the amateurs competitions like Shute Shield or QPR. Tuipulotu didn't play at Super Rugby level yet so someone has been watching him playing in Eastern Suburbs
All Shute Shield and QPR games are now televised.
I am sure Scottish Rugby has worked out how to access them.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
Realistically I think a lot of people are wanting/looking at is more aligned with the following:
Now to find what this nonsense actually translates to is layers upon layers of regulation and (to mine) overclassification, with the actual fees being separate from this document as well.
But essentially, when a player moves between Associations or signs their first "professional" contract under the age of 23, a "Training compensation" fee is due to the developing club for development that occurred between the ages of 12-21. The fee is based on (a) the professional category of the signing club, (b) the length of time the player has been formally affiliated with the original club and (c) a reduction in costs for years between U13 and U16. For your big 5 European league clubs purchasing from each other this could a payment of up to 580,000 Euros for the signing of a 22 year old who's been part of the club since his 12th birthday, but will typically be much much lower.
IF the classification systems are robust, I think this is something which could be reasonably implemented in Rugby: with the fees perhaps based more on the value of the contract size instead of defined figures. I can't help but feel however that, unlike football and its pure club model (barring a small number of aberrations like NA and Aus/NZ), creating a system which accommodates everything from the Currie Cup directly involving URC sides to Shamatuer Clubs across all Unions with Regional/Franchise to the existence of Rugby League and the ability of non-domestic sides to directly recruit from that code (see Charlie Savala above) will be nigh impossible.
Now to find what this nonsense actually translates to is layers upon layers of regulation and (to mine) overclassification, with the actual fees being separate from this document as well.
But essentially, when a player moves between Associations or signs their first "professional" contract under the age of 23, a "Training compensation" fee is due to the developing club for development that occurred between the ages of 12-21. The fee is based on (a) the professional category of the signing club, (b) the length of time the player has been formally affiliated with the original club and (c) a reduction in costs for years between U13 and U16. For your big 5 European league clubs purchasing from each other this could a payment of up to 580,000 Euros for the signing of a 22 year old who's been part of the club since his 12th birthday, but will typically be much much lower.
IF the classification systems are robust, I think this is something which could be reasonably implemented in Rugby: with the fees perhaps based more on the value of the contract size instead of defined figures. I can't help but feel however that, unlike football and its pure club model (barring a small number of aberrations like NA and Aus/NZ), creating a system which accommodates everything from the Currie Cup directly involving URC sides to Shamatuer Clubs across all Unions with Regional/Franchise to the existence of Rugby League and the ability of non-domestic sides to directly recruit from that code (see Charlie Savala above) will be nigh impossible.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
I'm way way too Millennial brained for that sort of shit.
The formal scouting is almost certainly based 90% within Scotland itself: tape is tape regardless of where you get it from and when you watch it, that can be done by people within the formal system.
The folks within Aus/NZ etc. are much more likely to be folks similar to Dan Parks*: involved in youth/club rugby on a formal level but with an association to Scottish Rugby who can provide more general tip offs to the full time exile team to follow through on if things have been missed.
*I have no evidence that Dan Parks as an individual has done anything close what I've described, he was just an easy name to reach for having been involved in the Sydney Uni program for a number of years: it could as easily be an administrator or board member at a school, club or regional union looking out for options for a player under their care.