Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Interesting that they've managed to include "impoverished third world countries" in their competitions. The very thing that some people (not you) say is impossible for rugby.
Aussie Player Exodus
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Interesting that they've managed to include "impoverished third world countries" in their competitions. The very thing that some people (not you) say is impossible for rugby.
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Peter Sullivan (51)
not really
my original premise was that a lot of fringe wallabies and experienced super players would go before the RWC to avoid the post cup rush. i don't think thats happened
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George Smith (75)
Yes but league is huge in PNG so they have the infrastructure to support a Q-Cup side but it's unlikely that'll ever lead to a full NRL licence. Last I read about the Fiji team they were going to be based in or near Sydney at first while the Fijian league works on getting their facilities sorted. That could take a while, one suspects (unless Bananarama decrees that league not Rugby 7's is now Fiji's go).
Probably the wrong thread but IMO what league is doing, largely in response to what AFL has been doing for some years now, makes it imperative that ARU somehow get the game into the state schools in areas like Brisbane's Southside & Sydney's West. Huge potential player & supporter pools with existing & proven interest in our game but largely ignored.
In a youth competition where players will be paid minimal amounts and have no alternative options to be paid more. You're comparing apples to oranges.
The same example in Super Rugby would be competing for players on lucrative professional contracts in Europe, New Zealand or possibly Australia.
boyo
Mark Ella (57)
Mean is the same as average.
Median is the middle number in a sequence.
Median is the middle number in a sequence.
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
A mean is not an average. The mean taking into account the standard deviation, median is more closely associated with the strict definition of average. Check the theory of large numbers for a full explanation.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
No, it's the first step in a long term plan.
It's such a shame that rugby is a global game and there are opportunities for Fijian players to earn good incomes playing in Europe and New Zealand etc.
If only that wasn't the case their best players could be paid peanuts to play locally in Fiji!
If only that wasn't the case their best players could be paid peanuts to play locally in Fiji!
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Phil Kearns (64)
Or they could play NRL in Australia, not to mention the lesser loig competitions that offer pretty good wages.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
And you seem hell bent on keeping it that way and won't even entertain any possibility of change.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
But the NRL have decided to make a long term attempt to grow their game out of its small pond. They may or may not succeed, but at least they have a plan and some vision.
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Bob Loudon (25)
http://www.itsrugby.co.uk/result-rumania2-2013.html
A good site to keep track of the Aussie player exodus. I counted 7 in Rumania including Samuel Tobias Chandler Gerry-Burgess and some other leaguies!
And you seem hell bent on keeping it that way and won't even entertain any possibility of change.
Professional rugby players in Australia or New Zealand or elsewhere are well paid but besides a very few, they're not incredibly well paid. They're fairly normal members of society who just happen to play sport for a living.
The big difference making it impossible to get players to do that in Fiji is you either need to prop it up with vast amounts of money to make it equivalent for the players that otherwise have the opportunity to play elsewhere or demand those players sacrifice what they could earn elsewhere to live on a local wage.
Rugby union has already moved past that. You can already play rugby union for no money in Fiji.
If you're good enough, you can leave Fiji and earn a salary 10-100 times the average salary in Fiji and be able to send money back to Fiji to help support your wider family as many Fijian expats in any career do. The same applies in Tonga or Samoa.
The players having opportunities elsewhere that far outweigh the opportunities they have at home are what makes the premise pretty much impossible. The same applies for pretty much anyone who can leave one of the Pacific nations and live in and be employed in a far more affluent country like Australia or New Zealand.
They make more difference to the local economy by living elsewhere and sending money home than they ever could doing that locally.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
I don't know what you were expecting but it's certainly the biggest exodus ever.
Higginbotham, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Horwill, Genia, McKibbin, Kepu, White, Alo-Emile, Cooper?
Still plenty more to come too.
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Peter Sullivan (51)
in that group i would class McKibbin and PAE only as fringe etc. as said originally this was players going before not after RWC, a la Pyle and Douglas and the HoneyB. ie to leave australian rugby in 2014. i fully expected several of the senior Wallabies to decamp after september, Kepu and White are about the only surprises, for me. and yes i also expect more to go after this super season.
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Ron Walden (29)
or coconuts.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Anyone who doesn't have some plan or vision for improving the current situation.
What's yours?
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
You're talking about the present and your are correct.
I'm talking about future possibilities - things which might happen, things which would be good for rugby and good for the locals if they did happen. Not certainties, not anything that's going to happen in the next 10 years. Things may never happen, but they certainly won't happen unless people have ideas, however optimistic they may be.
One thing is for certain, if people aren't floating ideas and constantly looking for improvement then nothing ever happens and things actually go backwards.