Aussie Player Exodus

[qwerty51]

Reports out of France is that Miles Amatosero - 2m+ /125kg has signed for the Waratahs. If true this is personally how I like to see Rugby Australia spending money rather than on Rory Arnold. Nothing against Arnold who is class but Amatosero at 20 years old is one I will be excited to see in Aussie Rugby!!

Rugby Scapulaire - Miles Amatosero devrait rejoindre les Waratahs

Recrutement - Selon les informations de Midi Olympique, le jeune deuxième ligne de Clermont, Miles Amatosero, qui aurait fait preuve d'une approche de la part de

rugby-scapulaire.com

Huge. Exactly the type of player they need.

 

[Derpus]

Sounds exciting - when does he join?

 

[Wilson]

Sounds exciting - when does he join?

It's still to be confirmed, but it sounds like it would be for next year (afaik his current contract with Clermont ends at the end of this season).

There's an English language article here, though it doesn't really add much detail:

Giant lock prospect Miles Amatosero heading to Waratahs

Hulking Australian second row Miles Amatosero is reported to be heading back Down Under with the Waratahs - according to French media.

www.rugbypass.com

 

[Derpus]

Thanks

 

[Marce]

From what I can gather he went to Waverley College, made the CAS 1st XV when in year 11 in 2019.

Signed to play in France pretty much straight out of high school.

I lived in front of Waverley Oval so we were neighbors! Lol

 

[Dctarget]

Absolutely. What’s is Australian rugby history? Where did he come from?

Dunno his Australian history but according to my French forums they're sad he's leaving because "he was having a very good season and gives it his all on the pitch". Think he's played in 12 games so far for Clermont.

 

[Lindommer]

Miles played in NSW under 16s in 2018. His birthday's in June so he'll be 21 in 2023. A good get for the Tahs.

Let's hope the Oz S&C wallahs can get/keep this big bloke fit; we don't have a good track record with big units.

 

[Wilson]

Looks like Pete Samu might be headed to Bordeaux after the world cup:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1633044820817072129

 

[Hawko]

Newsome has been on fire all season for Clermont starting at fullback from the outset. Add him to the list of players' who seem to find another notch in Europe

I thought Newsome was very, very good in his last year at the Tahs. The original journeyman who suddenly found form at 15. Got squeezed out here with all the talent coming through, but I always thought he'd be great in France. Clermont were lucky to get him.

 

[hammertimethere]

How the fuck do this silly teams function financially? Ticket sales aren't relevant? Their sponsoring companies pay for the entire set up?

I'm told that the broader company can use the operating loss of running their professional teams to offset corporate tax on their company wide profits as part of a concessional tax arrangement based in Japan's culture of citizens and companies having an obligation to do "social and collective good".

I think it's a friggin awesome idea. Make rugby the sole sport in Aus where companies can write off every dollar of sponsorship to reduce their corporate tax. Even every dollar two-for-one!

 

[Marce]

I think it's a friggin awesome idea. Make rugby the sole sport in Aus where companies can write off every dollar of sponsorship to reduce their corporate tax. Even every dollar two-for-one!

To do that politicians and bussiness owners MUST be rugby diehard supporters lol

Maybe David Pocock could start the project lol

 

[Dctarget]

I'm told that the broader company can use the operating loss of running their professional teams to offset corporate tax on their company wide profits as part of a concessional tax arrangement based in Japan's culture of citizens and companies having an obligation to do "social and collective good".

I think it's a friggin awesome idea. Make rugby the sole sport in Aus where companies can write off every dollar of sponsorship to reduce their corporate tax. Even every dollar two-for-one!

Or follow Ireland and give tax concessions to the individual player.

 

[Braveheart81]

Or follow Ireland and give tax concessions to the individual player.

Never going to happen here given the bulk of our highly paid professional sportspeople play sports that don't really have overseas markets for signing players.

 

[Dctarget]

Never going to happen here given the bulk of our highly paid professional sportspeople play sports that don't really have overseas markets for signing players.

Would help soccer & basketball a lot. But yes in an AFL & NRL centric world not happening.

 

[fatprop]

Would help soccer & basketball a lot. But yes in an AFL & NRL centric world not happening.

It would keep the duds in those sports, anyone decent will move to the big leagues

I do see some practical sense in allowing sportsmen, who are only likely to be paid well for 5 years of their lives, to be allowed to spread out that income out across a wider period

 

[Adam84]

It would keep the duds in those sports, anyone decent will move to the big leagues

I do see some practical sense in allowing sportsmen, who are only likely to be paid well for 5 years of their lives, to be allowed to spread out that income out across a wider period

Nah, professional athletes earning in the top percentile don‘t need bespoke or favourable tax treatment to reduce their tax paid, they just need to be smarter in how they invest that money. If they aren’t investing their money well to generate passive income in retirement then it’s not the taxpayer who should be propping them up, the players associations and governing bodies need to do more In educating the players. The same governing bodies are already subsidise hundreds of $millions in taxpayer funding each year through granets.

 

[TSR]

Agree. I don’t for a second begrudge pro sports people their pay cheques. Their commitment and skill is above most of us and the generate the dollars so they should get the spoils.

But very few people get to earn such large pay cheques so early in life and with even a small amount of control they can set themselves up for life. It’s not like they are unemployable later.

 

[fatprop]

Nah, professional athletes earning in the top percentile don‘t need bespoke or favourable tax treatment to reduce their tax paid, they just need to be smarter in how they invest that money. If they aren’t investing their money well to generate passive income in retirement then it’s not the taxpayer who should be propping them up, the players associations and governing bodies need to do more In educating the players. The same governing bodies are already subsidise hundreds of $millions in taxpayer funding each year through granets.

It isn't about the top percentile, it is about those who may get mediocre wages as a middling player for 3 years, 5 years tops afters years of being paid subsistence wages

And are then just discarded, sure the elites could benefit but they are the exception

 

[Adam84]

It isn't about the top percentile, it is about those who may get mediocre wages as a middling player for 3 years, 5 years tops afters years of being paid subsistence wages

And are then just discarded, sure the elites could benefit but they are the exception

what’s you’re interpretation of mediocre wages? Below national average? And how does that translate to your comment that these players are only paid well for 5 years of their lives?

in either case, taxpayers shouldn’t be fitting the bill for something which is the responsibility of the players associations and governing body. AFL just posted a $113 million surplus for crying out loud.

 

[Wilson]

It isn't about the top percentile, it is about those who may get mediocre wages as a middling player for 3 years, 5 years tops afters years of being paid subsistence wages

And are then just discarded, sure the elites could benefit but they are the exception

That's an incredibly inefficient way to support those mid-tier players though. If that's the goal it would be best bought in only for earnings below a certain threshold. That's not necessarily a bad thing, though it makes more sense as way of supporting representative athletes in semi-pro programs like the majority of Olympians.

I'm not sure if a fair and equitable version of this helps us hold onto to too many players though, at best it serves as a golden handcuff that limits a players ability to explore their earning potential (and development opportunities) during the prime period of their career. From a rugby perspective we should be much more focussed on supporting the players in building a career to follow on from rugby and in providing education around making the most of their earnings while they're here.