I'm not afraid to say that this piece of self-realisation put a lump in my throat.
Can we be seeing the start of a transformation, the likes of Reddy! or WJ?
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I'm not afraid to say that this piece of self-realisation put a lump in my throat.
Can we be seeing the start of a transformation, the likes of Reddy! or WJ?
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As a Brumbies fan, self-realisation is implicit 
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Chilla Wilson (44)
Am sure you would be not be able to that over Skype unlike your esteemed compatriot, David Alred...
Or had you be there, there'd be not much to do seeing as Robbie has brought in TT McGahan...he'd not get his boots dirty at all then!
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Nev Cottrell (35)
Yes.
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Sydney Middleton (9)
Agree. I luv the scrums. The problem that people have with them i.e. collapses and resets, is largely an Australian phenomenah brought on by years of selecting non-props i.e. those that are poor scrummagers, as props e.g. Tilse, Ryan, Daley - even Slipper, because of their greater workload around the field. A failed experiment that continues to this day. Can anyone tell me why Tilse has been at the Tahs for 7 years and played 10 games (this was reported in the Daily Tele newspaper this week)? Does this reflect the broader issue of ongoing poor selections at the Tahs which led to the Brumbies winning a number of competitions on Tahs "rejects".
Re the best props. Palmer and Kepu are the standout tightheads scrummaging wise and Robbo is the standout loose. Alexander is the next tier but an ok sub at loosehead for RObbo even he can keep is bind up on engagement.
Unfortunately it is daylight after that. Have been watching SLipper scrum for a while and cant understand why he continues to get mentioned favourable in dispatches.
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Mark Ella (57)
This question will be better answered when the Tahs play the Brumbies. You need to select props with the full package full stop. The game is just to quick these days to carry low workrate players. Palmer has been immensly improved in his workrate this year. As for Hooker, Moore is well ahead of TPN and just a far more complete player.
It would be more productive to expand this discussion to include the entire tight five.
The last time we had a dominat Wallaby tight five was EOYT 2009 and the tight five was 1 Robinson, 2 TPN/Moore (can't remember), 3 Alexander, 4 Chisholm and 5 Horwill.
It would be more productive to expand this discussion to include the entire tight five.
The last time we had a dominat Wallaby tight five was EOYT 2009 and the tight five was 1 Robinson, 2 TPN/Moore (can't remember), 3 Alexander, 4 Chisholm and 5 Horwill.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Moore was the starting hooker...
The scrum was exceptional, but with neither lock having any experience of running a lineout it was shite...
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Dick Tooth (41)
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Dick Tooth (41)
The other thing to take into consideration is this:
The rest of the world thinks that the Aussie scrum is a joke, despite there being several memorable games in the last few years where we have utterly crushed full strength scrums from England, Ireland, SA, Wales and Scotland.
NZ have usually not been a terrifying prospect, as they have a similar mentality and don't use their scrum as a method to impart dominance on us. The aforementioned teams DO, and until we put (properly, and for a good few YEARS) the percieved weakness to bed, by dominating every scrum we oppose, we will continue to get shafted by refs.
The Ireland WC game is the perfect example. Anyone with half a brain could see that the Irish were hitting the mud first in well over half the collapsed scrums, yet Lawrence penalised US! Take out the reputation factor, and that game may have turned out very differently, as we may have had a chance to actually get a bit of momentum up.
Bearing all that in mind, we simply have to go for the strongest SCRUMMAGING front row:
Robinson
Moore
Palmer
Nau
Alexander (to replace whichever prop is buggered, most likely Palmer, AFTER we've set a good solid 50mins of good scrummaging. He's a good tighthead, but not better than Palmer, and not better at LH than Fatcat. Superb impact sub)
With Horwill packing in behind there, the other 2nd row needs to be a Brad Thorn esque mongrel, who can support the tighthead side of the scrum. Who THAT is, remains to be seen, and is one of our 3 problems positions, the other two being 8 and 6. (No, Palu is not the answer, and neither is Elsom).
The rest of the world thinks that the Aussie scrum is a joke, despite there being several memorable games in the last few years where we have utterly crushed full strength scrums from England, Ireland, SA, Wales and Scotland.
NZ have usually not been a terrifying prospect, as they have a similar mentality and don't use their scrum as a method to impart dominance on us. The aforementioned teams DO, and until we put (properly, and for a good few YEARS) the percieved weakness to bed, by dominating every scrum we oppose, we will continue to get shafted by refs.
The Ireland WC game is the perfect example. Anyone with half a brain could see that the Irish were hitting the mud first in well over half the collapsed scrums, yet Lawrence penalised US! Take out the reputation factor, and that game may have turned out very differently, as we may have had a chance to actually get a bit of momentum up.
Bearing all that in mind, we simply have to go for the strongest SCRUMMAGING front row:
Robinson
Moore
Palmer
Nau
Alexander (to replace whichever prop is buggered, most likely Palmer, AFTER we've set a good solid 50mins of good scrummaging. He's a good tighthead, but not better than Palmer, and not better at LH than Fatcat. Superb impact sub)
With Horwill packing in behind there, the other 2nd row needs to be a Brad Thorn esque mongrel, who can support the tighthead side of the scrum. Who THAT is, remains to be seen, and is one of our 3 problems positions, the other two being 8 and 6. (No, Palu is not the answer, and neither is Elsom).
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Andrew Slack (58)
I agree that we need to pick our strongest scrum - but why then pick Alexander who has consistently struggled since 2009 (when, to be fair, he was excellent). I don't think it is all his fault given that he is plays loosehead all Super 15 then gets picked at tight head, but the outcome is the same. He consistently collapses. I would rather see Kepu picked.
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We'll see. Kepu was soft as butter in contact at the world cup. Yet to be convinced.
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Dick Tooth (41)
Agreed. Kepu was rubbish in his last season of international rugby. Palmer's workrate has been massively increased this season, he simply has to be the tighthead option, ESPECIALLY against Wales (where we will get shafted if we're not clearly dominant in the scrums)
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Mark Ella (57)
I still think there needs to be a horses for courses approach. If the track is heavy and wet why not pick a pot plat to achor the scrum and drive at the lineout. Nobody is that fleet of foot in the wet so the reduced mobility of a Palmer for instance is not as big a liability. Bring on Kepu at 50 to continue to anchor the scrum and up the workrate and ball running.
If we have a dry firm track start with Kepu and bring on Alexander or Slipper after 50 for the same effect.
If we have a dry firm track start with Kepu and bring on Alexander or Slipper after 50 for the same effect.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
Horses for courses is good.
I'd prefer Deans just told the front row to play their hearts out or be replaced. No better motivation than that. We have three good options in each position.
Kepu, Palmer and Slipper at TH
Moore, TPN and Charles at Hooker
Robinson, Alexander and Cowan at LH.
Just a shame you can't keep all of those guys in a 30 man squad.
I'd prefer Deans just told the front row to play their hearts out or be replaced. No better motivation than that. We have three good options in each position.
Kepu, Palmer and Slipper at TH
Moore, TPN and Charles at Hooker
Robinson, Alexander and Cowan at LH.
Just a shame you can't keep all of those guys in a 30 man squad.
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