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I was just thinking, that i cant remember the Western Force academy team turning out this year either, the QLD, NSW and ACT academy teams played each other throughout the year, but no Western Force academy.
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i think seeing as a force academy side would be at very least 50% Qlders and NSWelshman it would make sense to have their academy set-up in the north.
even if they fly back to play their clubs (as they should) the fact that many of them would be from eastern cities combined with the fact that all the other teams would ALL be means it would just make sense.
surely renting a couple of big flats for 12-15 WA blokes for a month wouldn't be too terrible to rationalise.
even if they fly back to play their clubs (as they should) the fact that many of them would be from eastern cities combined with the fact that all the other teams would ALL be means it would just make sense.
surely renting a couple of big flats for 12-15 WA blokes for a month wouldn't be too terrible to rationalise.
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Arch Winning (36)
It would be great to see this become our equivalent of the NPC. Im sure the other teams will be included once they are making some money out of the competition. Finally, a real stepping stone between Shute Shield and S15!
I know it's not so ethical but, I think the other good thing about this comp if it were to go ahead, our selectors will be able to evaluate which of the PI players are good prospects at a reasonably junior level and recruit them across to Australia S15 teams. They can later become eligible to be future wallabies and we will have more players to chose from, hopefully some big hard bastards for our team. The AB's have been doing this for years and its about time we got on the band-wagon.
I know it's not so ethical but, I think the other good thing about this comp if it were to go ahead, our selectors will be able to evaluate which of the PI players are good prospects at a reasonably junior level and recruit them across to Australia S15 teams. They can later become eligible to be future wallabies and we will have more players to chose from, hopefully some big hard bastards for our team. The AB's have been doing this for years and its about time we got on the band-wagon.
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Vay Wilson (31)
The only issue TOCC is that the 4 (soon to be 5) franchises are businesses. They need to be treated equally by the ARU.
I agree that there will need to be sacrifices made for any provincial comp in Australia, but once again, the franchises need to be treated equally.
En force er, I also agree that it makes sense to play the games in NSW/QLD from a player development point of view. But RugbyWA would be trying to build interest in the code in WA. And for that reason the games would need to be played in Perth. The long term benefits of increased interest would in my opinion outweigh the short term benefit of player development.
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Yes Farva, I am more then aware that the super rugby sides are businesses... Don't for a second think that any of the state sides will be profiteering out of this new competition though, longterm it may have revenue raising potential, but definitely not in 2011..
From what i can see, if this competition is to be run in the months prior to the RWC then it's only a window of around 6 weeks, do the math and and 6 weeks is equal to a 6 team round robin with final. Adding the force and rebels would push this out to 8 weeks..
When people talk about the cost of adding the force and rebels, it's not purely about the cost of flights to and from Perth, or the cost of accommodation in either city. It's also the cost of extending the competition, by making all the other teams fly there squads around Australisia for those extra weeks, it's not a simple measure of RugbyWA purely saying they will base there team in Sydney or on the eat coast, there are other inevitable costs as well.
Understandably force and rebels fans should be dissapointed that they weren't involved in the discussions, however before jumping up and down slamming JON, we aren't even sure if the ARU were the driving body in all of it, as pointed out, it could very well be the actions of the super clubs pushing there own agenda.
From what i can see, if this competition is to be run in the months prior to the RWC then it's only a window of around 6 weeks, do the math and and 6 weeks is equal to a 6 team round robin with final. Adding the force and rebels would push this out to 8 weeks..
When people talk about the cost of adding the force and rebels, it's not purely about the cost of flights to and from Perth, or the cost of accommodation in either city. It's also the cost of extending the competition, by making all the other teams fly there squads around Australisia for those extra weeks, it's not a simple measure of RugbyWA purely saying they will base there team in Sydney or on the eat coast, there are other inevitable costs as well.
Understandably force and rebels fans should be dissapointed that they weren't involved in the discussions, however before jumping up and down slamming JON, we aren't even sure if the ARU were the driving body in all of it, as pointed out, it could very well be the actions of the super clubs pushing there own agenda.
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Vay Wilson (31)
TOCC, good to see you are making freinds over at TWF
And I have calmed down a little from my initial outrage, to be sitting in the quietly pissed off area now.
In regards to having to extend the season and have the other teams fly to perth, all good points. But for starters, if this is an ARU organised event (an assumption certainly) then it makes sense to me to keep it to 6 weeks and reduce the # of PI teams in favour of Aus teams. Sad for the PI teams but this is an Aus rugby thing.
And the cost of flying teams over the Perth is higher. But not a lot. It doesnt cost much more to fly to perth as it does to fly from Bris to Canberra. And the flight time is all of an extra couple of hours. Its not like an international flight. Jetstar I am sure do some pretty cheap flights. And once there there is just the cost of a hotel.
And I have calmed down a little from my initial outrage, to be sitting in the quietly pissed off area now.
In regards to having to extend the season and have the other teams fly to perth, all good points. But for starters, if this is an ARU organised event (an assumption certainly) then it makes sense to me to keep it to 6 weeks and reduce the # of PI teams in favour of Aus teams. Sad for the PI teams but this is an Aus rugby thing.
And the cost of flying teams over the Perth is higher. But not a lot. It doesnt cost much more to fly to perth as it does to fly from Bris to Canberra. And the flight time is all of an extra couple of hours. Its not like an international flight. Jetstar I am sure do some pretty cheap flights. And once there there is just the cost of a hotel.
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Yes, TWF, i think some people are letting there emotions get control of them a bit to much...
Granted, if indeed the PI teams were participating at the expense of the ARU, they would most definitely be the first cut.... But I strongly suspect, this competition has been arranged with some sort of IRB funding, the IRB have formally acknowledged that more work is required in terms of developing competition for the PI, and I reckon this is probably a result of that.
IRB will likely fund all logistical issues relating to the PI teams and play all matches in Australia, with the Australian teams only having to to fund there own logistical issues. If indeed it is a round robin match, this will only mean one trip interstate for each Australian team..pretty cheap logistically
If the Force and Rebels were included you are looking at minimum of two trips interstate for each team with one team making 3 trips.. That means you go from having the equivalent of 3 full squads touring interstate to 11, a cost increase of nearly 400%. These are the financial elements which need to be considered when proposing these comps...
It's been a long day at work and I calculated those figures in my head so I hope it's right..
Granted, if indeed the PI teams were participating at the expense of the ARU, they would most definitely be the first cut.... But I strongly suspect, this competition has been arranged with some sort of IRB funding, the IRB have formally acknowledged that more work is required in terms of developing competition for the PI, and I reckon this is probably a result of that.
IRB will likely fund all logistical issues relating to the PI teams and play all matches in Australia, with the Australian teams only having to to fund there own logistical issues. If indeed it is a round robin match, this will only mean one trip interstate for each Australian team..pretty cheap logistically
If the Force and Rebels were included you are looking at minimum of two trips interstate for each team with one team making 3 trips.. That means you go from having the equivalent of 3 full squads touring interstate to 11, a cost increase of nearly 400%. These are the financial elements which need to be considered when proposing these comps...
It's been a long day at work and I calculated those figures in my head so I hope it's right..
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this is from PR
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Evidently according to the info now on the thread dedicated to this topic on PR that draw is just a first step. From 2012 all 5 Aus and NZ Super Rugby A teams will join two of the PI Nations (Fiji and Samoa most likely) in a 14 week A Comp running alongside Super Rugby. There is supposedly scope to new entries such as NSW Country (Force and Rebels most obviously) in the future. According to this it will be IRB funded. Who the hell knows if its for real.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
If true it would be nice if the ARU could get some sort of decent FTA coverage.
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Fuck that, take it to Regional Australia!
Does this competition start next year? Or 2012?
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Michael Lynagh (62)
From what I have read it appears that next year the scheduled games will be more of a fill in leading towards a fully fledged competition in 2012 thanks largely to the RWC next year. If true the full competition won't begin until 2012.
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John Eales (66)
Those 3 extra games for each of the 3 Oz Super A teams will be a bonus for their seasons. It's a pity that the other two teams couldn't be involved also, but that's how the arithmetic works.
It's a good idea for the 3 Island nations also. Well done to everybody concerned.
Dates and venues are here:
http://www.waratahs.com.au/Waratahs/News/NewsArticle/tabid/157/ArticleID/1266/Default.aspx
It's a good idea for the 3 Island nations also. Well done to everybody concerned.
Dates and venues are here:
http://www.waratahs.com.au/Waratahs/News/NewsArticle/tabid/157/ArticleID/1266/Default.aspx
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