Are the Brumbies up the Creek..

[Forcefield]

Jake White is the Kevin Rudd of the rugby world. If he wasn't seriously considering it, there would be a blanket 'no' statement.

 

[FiveStarStu]

From the early stages it looks as if the McQueen to Hill transition hasn't worked out well at all.

Bit early to be making that call, I reckon.

As for Jake White, he needs to make a call ASAP. The Rudd comparison is right, this will just chip away at the Brumbs all year.

 

[barbarian]

Well it's not really his call to make. He has applied for the job, when the RFU decide to announce the coach is their matter.

 

[Blue]

I hope Jake stays. He has started a good process. Would hate to see him leave and I think he'll get his next international gig. He is still young enough.

As for the Rudd comparison, is Jake also a rabid self centred socialist fluffybunny who can't delegate, hands out free cash to everybody except those that he taxes to the wall and nobody in his team wants to work with him? Really? Wow.

 

[JJJ]

Jake White is the Kevin Rudd of the rugby world. If he wasn't seriously considering it, there would be a blanket 'no' statement.

Of course he could just be taking advantage of the rumours to put pressure on the Brumbies to sweeten his contract. But yeah, doesn't look good. Now that he's seen how relatively thin Aussie playing stocks are he'd realize how much of a battle he's got ahead of him to produce results with the brums in keeping with his reputation. Much easier to take an England side which has probably underperformed and turn them around. Especially given that they're well-suited to his tactical style. Also far more lucrative, obviously.

 

[Athilnaur]

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As for the Rudd comparison, is Jake also a rabid self centred socialist fluffybunny who can't delegate, hands out free cash to everybody except those that he taxes to the wall and nobody in his team wants to work with him? Really? Wow.

You forgot condescending smug smirker, and I'm not sure the taxation argument is anything but boltsian rhetoric, but otherwise full points Sir!

 

[Waylon]

The Brumbies have more coaches than coachie the coach coaches in coach school

I don't see a problem

 

[Newter]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/white-cant-rule-out-future-england-move-20120307-1ukum.html

"I can never rule that out, let's be honest," said White, who coached South Africa to World Cup victory in 2007.​

"The reality is who knows where I'm going to be in 'X' amount of time.​

"Some coaches have got deals that last the whole deal, some coaches get fired halfway through their deal. It's such a volatile job . . . all I'm doing now is controlling what I can control and that is this [Super Rugby] campaign [with the Brumbies].​

"The bottom line is I'm very focused on making sure this is a successful season for the Brumbies."​

I'm sorry Slim, but this isn't looking good. He's now changed his commitment from 4 years to 1. ​

I appreciate your loyalty to the Brumbies, I really do....however it's leading you blind on this topic. If White walks out on the club this Season, the players will left shattered and the Brumbies recruiting process will fall to pieces. He had promised the club he was in it for the long haul, and had promised the same to the players. He was building a new culture, a new team.​

What's with all these foreign 'big deal' head coaches tarnishing Australian teams?​

The players will be left shattered? Why? Players only sign one to two year deals anyway. Why would they give much of a shite what Jake is doing after this season?

He's already added value to a number of previously unknown club and academy players and has the franchise winning games again.

There is no "long haul" in professional sport.

 

[RedsHappy]

The more I contemplate this situation, the more angry with JW I grow.

He's no 20 year old and needs career guidance and lessons on the meaning of responsibility to an employer. He knew pre joining the full vulnerabilities the Brumbies were facing, in terms of morale, team resources, crowd numbers, etc. He'd know in 2011 that, if he was _really_ more interested in a national coach's job in the immediate future, to leave a fragile franchise with only a year or less of his delivery to them could/would be highly damaging to them.

Virtually from 2-3 months in, he started saying things like '...I do want to return to national coaching one day, I must admit...' when the SA job came up post RWC. Fine, but as a mature executive being well paid and taking on responsible positions etc, you need to be able to know your own real motivations and desires and set your course for what you primarily want, and not take positions that are, for you, compromises and likely mere stepping stones upwards the moment your heart's desire comes up.

He should have known in himself that a national position was what the ego and personal ambition really wanted, and waited until he got the position he would really be satisfied with. He was indeed very well qualified for a national role, he simply had to announce his availability and wait for the right opening in, say, Italy, Australia, Scotland, Argentina...and maybe England as everyone knew MJ was on thin ice pre RWC if England didn't perform there. What he needed to do was exercise a bit of patience, and thus responsibility.

The poor Brumbies have barely started a season of new systems, players, etc, and they already know they have a new coach who'd much prefer bigger and better if he could have it, and that he might leave any old time to get just that. I really feel for the team and, to a degree, Fagan et al. This is simply not right.

 

[RedsHappy]

The players will be left shattered? Why? Players only sign one to two year deals anyway. Why would they give much of a shite what Jake is doing after this season?

He's already added value to a number of previously unknown club and academy players and has the franchise winning games again.

There is no "long haul" in professional sport.

Boy, you really have a high opinion of elite Aus rugby players Newter. They don't care at all about the process of building enduring success, good culture, clear development paths, and general stability within their employing franchise. However, I can attest to having met more than a few that do care.

 

[mudskipper]

Well a home RWC England will be cashed up... pity they cant find an english coach... The offer will be very tempting and Jake White wont like get another opportunity to win a second RWC... Home team massive advantage and England new squad on the rise... they would have to be a good chance he'll go... This would be massively disappointing for the brumbies as they have agreed to giving him a 4 year tenure... I will be a measure of the MANS word, but at the end of the day its a profession, he has to take his chances when offered...

 

[Bardon]

According to what's coming out of the UK media the job is White's if he wants it and White seems pretty interested. Not a done deal but probably a deal in principle at this stage.

 

[Waylon]

Jake cleaned all the dead wood out. Mission accomplished

Generation next has arrived. They look promising

Jake's 10 man rugby causes excessive glandular excitement in the home unions

The poms will be all over him like a cheap suit

He'll take the massive cash on offer..........and who wouldn't?

 

[Richo]

I guess my only thought is, who'd want to coach an English team of anything? No matter the cash, etc. the media over there are fucking horrific and there's a decent chance he'll be hounded out of his job before the RWC anyway.

 

[Ruggo]

Either bury the small talk or bugger off Jake white. The Brumbies need commitment and stability. If that can't be provided, maybe he should go now and not let this be a distraction this franchise in its rebuiding stages.

Please put this gossip to bed quickly either way.

 

[Slim 293]

Yep...

He either has to confirm whether or not he's staying sooner rather than later...

If he's staying... fine... we all move on...

If he goes then the Brumbies need to get to work on a new head coach for next year.

I'm sure they won't return to Laurie Fisher, particularly as he was given the boot by Fagan and then replaced by Friend...

Larkham doesn't have the experience...

Eddie Jones? Yikes...

I do think many of White's assistants (aside from maybe Larkham) should be concerned about their futures if White goes...

It's important that a lot of the changes White has made since coming on board remains in case he departs... most importantly keeping the Brumbies in the John I Dent Cup...

Anyways, if White does go and the announcement is made early the Brumbies can then be put in a good position to make a play for someone like Cheika...

 

[ChargerWA]

Agreed Ruggo, the small talk is the worst part. Insulting to the Brumbies organisation.

I don't think Fagan and the Brums hierachy can wear any blame, they went out to get the best coach they could and nail him down for 4 years. They did their part well.

 

[Slim 293]

Control is fading for ACT coach

Chris Wilson

March 9, 2012

There was nothing but White noise from the Brumbies coach yesterday.

Understandably, Jake White did not address the media about his ambition for the England coaching role. Extraordinarily, he didn't address his Brumbies coaching staff or his players either.

I've barely met White, but know enough after sitting for an hour with him on Wednesday evening that he likes to be in control. It might have something to do with his answer when I confronted him about speculation he'd soon quit the Brumbies to coach England.

''All you can do now is control the controllables and all I'm doing now is controlling what I can control,'' White said.

Verbose right? But yesterday, White wasn't speaking to anyone. Even the Brumbies are now demanding answers from him.

In that Wednesday meeting, about 5.30pm, White told me he had not been sounded out for the current England vacancy. The Canberra Times wrote the story anyway, confident in our sources.

Whether it was this paper's article, or a coincidental midnight phone call from London, a Brumbies media release was issued at 11.47am yesterday, titled 'Jake White approached to coach England'.

''[White] has been sounded out by the RFU (England) as a candidate for its vacant coaching role and has declared interest in exploring his options,'' it stated.

The most interesting feature of the media release was that White was not quoted once.

I'd wager it was issued without his endorsement.

White was losing control.

Yesterday he scrambled to try and maintain it.

White - a creature of habit - was forced to change his routine.

He didn't front the media, as he does every Thursday, to name his Brumbies team. He sent out his captain Ben Mowen, who quizzically suggested White owed the players no explanation. Others will want one. Fans. Sponsors. The board.

The opportunity to coach England at the 2015 World Cup in England, to become the first man to ever win two World Cups, would be unbelievably tempting, but why did White himself demand a four-year contract with the Brumbies if he's exploring his options after just one game?

How does he continue to motivate the players he has literally made eat, sleep, live and breathe rugby for this 2012 campaign?

I go to another separate quote from White from Wednesday evening: ''I can only control what I can control and at this point I'm controlling the Brumbies.''

But for how long?

 

[Cutter]

Jake White signs for four years and is looking for alternatives after one game...good bloke. It might be old fashioned, but that kind of thing gives people a bad reputation in my books.

If I were the Brumbies, I'd be saying we'll release you now (without the security of the England job) or we won't release you at all. You choose. I'd also be on the phone to Michael Cheika.

 

[sonny crockett]

Very able coach just down the road at Sydney Uni folks, Louden is ready to take on a head coaching role when one comes up and no doubt if it suits his needs.