Another Giteau thread

[Lindommer]

He needs a kick up the backside or his ego deflated. Dropping him and giving the reason that he's not playing good enough for the Wallabies jersey should do wonders for him. It needs to be done now so he can work it out.

+1

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

Excuse me while I piss myself laughing (sorry, being laughable).
He is rank, and historic form is as useful as asking how awesome England are in Diveball (Soccer) - did well once, but so long ago most people have died since it happened.

Good point, he is crap because you say so. I'm convinced...

 

[Reddy!]

Giteau is still awesome. I can understand if he drops to the bench for the next game, but i think he will get out of this form slump pretty quick.

Yeeeeeahhhhhh, the thing about that is he has been in a form slump since the start of the Super 14 and only played one good game of test rugby against Wales in the 2nd half of 2009. His form slump isn't a new phenomenon.

If his form picks up dramatically at the beginning of the Tri-Nations I won't be saying "Hey that was a quick turnaround of form, he's back!". I will be saying "About f**king time you dumb ****".

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

Yea, his performances need to pick up. But his talent is all still there. I think its just a matter of the backline needing more time to gel. All the backs are playing well below their potential. Why is Rob Horne in such bad form, why is Cooper not in his S14 form, why is Mitchell in such bad form???

IMO, they are all just feeling out of place atm and picking out Giteau is a retarded thing to do... But one more month should be more than enough for these guys to start performing.

 

[cyclopath]

Good point, he is crap because you say so. I'm convinced...

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I am just disagreeing with you. Funnily, he may not be awesome just because you say so...

 

[HG]

Yea, his performances need to pick up. But his talent is all still there. I think its just a matter of the backline needing more time to gel. All the backs are playing well below their potential. Why is Rob Horne in such bad form, why is Cooper not in his S14 form, why is Mitchell in such bad form???

IMO, they are all just feeling out of place atm and picking out Giteau is a retarded thing to do... But one more month should be more than enough for these guys to start performing.

The position of inside centre is that of a link man to the outside backs. Cooper is doing his best getting the go forward but Giteau is trying to play like a 10 not a 12. He is not reading play well and not linking with players around him. The 2 tries he scored in Perth were created by other players and he ran into gaps but the last game reverted to playing the position that Cooper has. Therefore we had a clusterfuck in the backs. I have said this before he does not like playing second fiddle to Cooper and it is effecting his game. He will not be starting come world cup. We cannot afford to have 2 5/8's in the team. We need a strong defender and a ball runner that can offload in traffic in this position if Deans is going to keep Cooper at 5/8.

 

[Scotty]

At least 50% of posters on this site have come to the same conclusion. Question is, when will Robbie?

 

[chief]

At least 50% of posters on this site have come to the same conclusion. Question is, when will Robbie?

Robbie has now realised I think. Take a pick Giteau or Cooper? They can't be meshed into the same thing. Robbie has given Matt his chances to perform. Prediction Giteau to be dropped.

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

The position of inside centre is that of a link man to the outside backs. Cooper is doing his best getting the go forward but Giteau is trying to play like a 10 not a 12. He is not reading play well and not linking with players around him. The 2 tries he scored in Perth were created by other players and he ran into gaps but the last game reverted to playing the position that Cooper has. Therefore we had a clusterfuck in the backs. I have said this before he does not like playing second fiddle to Cooper and it is effecting his game. He will not be starting come world cup. We cannot afford to have 2 5/8's in the team. We need a strong defender and a ball runner that can offload in traffic in this position if Deans is going to keep Cooper at 5/8.

Giteau can do fine at 12, he had a few good games there in the S14. But his season was screwed by injuries so he will need a little more game time before he finds his range. Also, the perth game was perfect weather for the backs. If Giteau had played in Perth he probably would have played great like all the backs did. In the last two games its been a cold slippery night, which is why a lot of the backs are struggling to find their form while also trying to fit into a new backline. Burgess and Cooper look the best, mainly because they have touched the ball more than everyone else.

Anyway, i blame lack of warm up games. Or using important games as warm up games for the tri nations. We needed another test against someone like Fiji so the backs could be ready for the tri nations. But now we are left with an underdone team. No other 12 we have poses the scoring threat Giteau does so i don't see any reason to drop him. Everyone is saying is he is crap now (based on 2 games), when he just isn't. He is ultra fit, as good as ever and is along with Cooper are the only backs who look like scoring consistently.

 

[fatprop]

There was an interesting comment from Kearns stating that a lot of the players (JOC (James O'Connor), Mitchell, Horne & Gits) around Cooper aren't producing partly at the moment because they and Cooper haven't learnt how to work together yet. Then Kafer suggested that they should be using more width from Cooper.

They may need a bit more structure

 

[RugbyReg]

or more Reds! Perhaps its cause to move Diggers back to 13, closer to Genia and Quade, and Hynes to fullback.

 

[Scarfman]

It's a fundamental point, isn't it fp? Deans has tried to get these guys to counter attack and play what's in front of them. But they don't seem to be able to do it. So - keep at it, keep the culture going, or turn back and go for structured phases?

Cooper has the pass for structure, that's for sure. Like no-one since Bernie, this guy can put the ball where the man is going to be.

 

[Lindommer]

or more Reds! Perhaps it's cause to move Diggers back to 13, closer to Genia and Quade, and Hynes to fullback.

I don't think things are that drastic. That's probably taking remedial measures a bit too far.

 

[Jethro Tah]

There was an interesting comment from Kearns stating that a lot of the players (JOC (James O'Connor), Mitchell, Horne & Gits) around Cooper aren't producing partly at the moment because they and Cooper haven't learnt how to work together yet. Then Kafer suggested that they should be using more width from Cooper.

They may need a bit more structure

I saw a quote in the press somewhere but can't for the life of me find it but it was by AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) stating that he often does not know what Quade is going to do then JOC (James O'Connor) gets it then he still doesn't know what's going to happen next. Hopefully in the next 3 weeks they can practise a bit more structured play.

I have said this before he does not like playing second fiddle to Cooper and it is effecting his game. He will not be starting come world cup. We cannot afford to have 2 5/8's in the team. We need a strong defender and a ball runner that can offload in traffic in this position if Deans is going to keep Cooper at 5/8.

And back to the Gits thread topic, he sure doesn't like riding shotgun to Quade and his goal kicking has suffered. Hey Robbie, how about you get them to share kicking duties ..... not. Even the great John Eales thinks that's a stupid idea. I'm a big fan of Gits but not blinded enough to know he needs some time on the bench to get his head straight.

 

[Scotty]

I saw a quote in the press somewhere but can't for the life of me find it but it was by AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) stating that he often does not know what Quade is going to do then JOC (James O'Connor) gets it then he still doesn't know what's going to happen next. Hopefully in the next 3 weeks they can practise a bit more structured play.

Then you think back to the first test of the season, where Giteau was trying to link with AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) came inside and Gits though he was going to stay outside. Commentator started to say 'well that is because of a lack of combination', and then realised these two guys have been playing together all year long.

The difference between Gits and the likes of Horne or Fa'ainga is that Cooper knows that the later two are likely to be running straight. He can play what is in front of him, and always have the option of giving a short ball to the 12. With Giteau he doesn't know where he will be, so it also restricts Cooper's ability to play what is in front of him.

 

[fatprop]

or more Reds! Perhaps its cause to move Diggers back to 13, closer to Genia and Quade, and Hynes to fullback.

or more effort, there seems to be a lack of runners giving Cooper real options; everyone needs to be prepared to get the ball and run decent lines with the expectation that they will get the ball (and Beale actually) Gits chase of his bad kick made it worse than it was, as was Mitchell's lack of chase at times for Cooper's.

We need all backs off the ball need to be prepared.

One of the highlights showed Barnes running a close line actively sucking in defenders while Cooper went wider - the bastards need to work, chase every kick and work and work with or without the ball.

 

[Hawko]

Robbie has now realised I think. Take a pick Giteau or Cooper? They can't be meshed into the same thing. Robbie has given Matt his chances to perform. Prediction Giteau to be dropped.

I hope so but given the latitude that Deans has given him previously, I think this prediction is a very long shot.

 

[HG]

or more effort, there seems to be a lack of runners giving Cooper real options; everyone needs to be prepared to get the ball and run decent lines with the expectation that they will get the ball (and Beale actually) Gits chase of his bad kick made it worse than it was, as was Mitchell's lack of chase at times for Cooper's.

We need all backs off the ball need to be prepared.

One of the highlights showed Barnes running a close line actively sucking in defenders while Cooper went wider - the bastards need to work, chase every kick and work and work with or without the ball.

Well said, the backs need to work off the ball more this is where Barns is better that Giteau.