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All Blacks steal Deans' tactic

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fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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All Blacks steal Deans' tactic

* Bret Harris
* From: The Australian
* August 02, 2010 12:00AM

GALLING as it must be for Kiwi Robbie Deans to lose to his countrymen eight Tests in a row, even more so he came undone by his own game.

New Zealanders instinctively understand that the most important moment in a game is when the ball changes hands, which explains why Kiwi teams at Super rugby and Test level score so many tries from turnovers.

One of the best exponents of this tactic was the Deans-coached Crusaders.

So you could only imagine what was going through Deans' mind as he watched the All Blacks score all seven of their tries in Melbourne on Saturday night almost immediately after turnovers.

Five-eighth Dan Carter's try in the ninth minute came from a charge-down of Wallabies inside centre Berrick Barnes's clearing kick.

Fullback Mils Muliaina's first try in the 12th minute originated from Wallabies winger Drew Mitchell's turnover at a breakdown.

Two consecutive turnovers led to All Black captain Richie McCaw's try in the 25th minute, the first at a lineout and the second at a ruck.

Winger Cory Jane's try in the 36th minute could be traced to Wallabies outside centre Rob Horne being penalised for holding on to the ball in a tackle.

It was these four tries in the space of 27 minutes that won the game for the All Blacks, but they scored another three in the second half to ward off any Wallabies' comeback.

Muliaina's second try, in the 46th minute, came directly from the All Blacks winning a tighthead scrum in the Wallabies' quarter.

Winger Joe Rokocoko's try in the 59th minute followed the All Blacks winning yet another kickoff.

Reserve hooker Corey Flynn scored on fulltime after Australian winger James O'Connor's chip kick was fielded by Muliaina, who launched a counter-attack.

The All Blacks also used the successful Deans tactic of contestable kicking against the Wallabies.

Both the All Blacks and the Wallabies played a ball-in-hand game to beat the Springboks in the first three Tests of the Tri-Nations tournament, but New Zealand subtly changed its style against Australia.

The All Blacks adopted a run-kick approach in attack. They would run the ball, and if they noticed the Australian back three coming up in defence, they would put a contestable kick behind the line.

It was a tactic often employed by Deans' Crusaders and the Wallabies themselves when they have run the All Blacks close in recent years.

The Wallabies stuck to a ball-in-hand approach, which had been successful against the Springboks.

The Wallabies may have taken note of the fact that South African referee Craig Joubert had awarded 83 per cent of his penalties in the Super 14 to the team in possession.

Joubert penalised the All Blacks seven times while the Wallabies were in the attacking zone, but did not send anyone to the bin for slowing the ball until Drew Mitchell was sent off for slapping the ball down to prevent a quick lineout throw.

So, while the Wallabies were accumulating three points at a time, the All Blacks were increasing by seven.

The result could have been a real blowout, but Wallabies captain Rocky Elsom held the team together well.

The Wallabies played poorly for much of the match, but they showed what they were capable of when Adam Ashley-Cooper and Elsom scored -- and David Pocock was denied by the video official -- in the second half with 14 men, and they will need to carry this courage into the Test in Christchurch on Saturday.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...eal-deans-tactic/story-e6frg7o6-1225899736799

To me, the game on Saturday was like a master class between two sides trying to play the same type of rugby. But one side was ahead in talent, attitude, execution and technique; and the other side was Australia.

Once the defence is set, it is pretty hard to beat a sides defense, turnover is king and the ABs are the best at it.
 

Newb

Trevor Allan (34)
speaking of stealing tactics.....

anyone notice if the AB's ran any of the moves that were on that play diagram sheet henry was holding in that photo?

were the wallabies undone even with a sneak peek?

(not that it ever mattered with that kind of performance)
 

Top Bloke

Ward Prentice (10)
speaking of stealing tactics.....

anyone notice if the AB's ran any of the moves that were on that play diagram sheet henry was holding in that photo?

were the wallabies undone even with a sneak peek? QUOTE]

That diagram actually was the AB's defensive plan against the Wallaby attack. Wayne Smith had designed it while watching the Wallaby v Boks game the week before.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
fp, I'm not sure I agree with Harris's interpretation.

How about: Deans is trying to teach the Aussies how to play Crusader / Kiwi ball, and they're not taking to it.

I'm not sure the right answer is that we just need a couple more years practicing the Kiwi style. Can't we develop an "indigenous" response to each tactic we are confronted with? The Kiwis have never been able to cope with pressure. Possibly because they are so seldom pressurised. We need to squeeze them. We need to kick to the corners. We need to win the fucking restarts. We need to run great first phase moves. Massive defensive pressure.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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fp, I'm not sure I agree with Harris's interpretation.

How about: Deans is trying to teach the Aussies how to play Crusader / Kiwi ball, and they're not taking to it.

I'm not sure the right answer is that we just need a couple more years practicing the Kiwi style. Can't we develop an "indigenous" response to each tactic we are confronted with? The Kiwis have never been able to cope with pressure. Possibly because they are so seldom pressurised. We need to squeeze them. We need to kick to the corners. We need to win the fucking restarts. We need to run great first phase moves. Massive defensive pressure.

Yep, we bought Deans to play his system because it is attractive and positive rugby - and thus a more salable product in a very competitive market. An indigenous response would have been keeping Jones or throwing in Link.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
fp, I'm not sure I agree with Harris's interpretation.

How about: Deans is trying to teach the Aussies how to play Crusader / Kiwi ball, and they're not taking to it.

I'm not sure the right answer is that we just need a couple more years practicing the Kiwi style. Can't we develop an "indigenous" response to each tactic we are confronted with? The Kiwis have never been able to cope with pressure. Possibly because they are so seldom pressurised. We need to squeeze them. We need to kick to the corners. We need to win the fucking restarts. We need to run great first phase moves. Massive defensive pressure.

This is the area where we have always beaten them. Pocock needs help from the other loosies at the breakdown in slowing the AB pill so that the defensive line can be reset. The commentary seemed to think the issue was just the first up tackling, but I believe the issue was also the speed at which we allowed the ABs to clear the ball from the breakdown, meaning our defensive line was still being set and making it difficult to make that first up tackle (which then in turn allowed them to get on the front foot even more).
 

Langthorne

Phil Hardcastle (33)
Yep, we bought Deans to play his system because it is attractive and positive rugby - and thus a more salable product in a very competitive market. An indigenous response would have been keeping Jones or throwing in Link.

Is the Deans system appropriate for (working for) the Wallabies?

Is it more attractive than winning?

Were Jones and McKenzie the only other options?

No, No, and No
 

Richo

John Thornett (49)
I agree, Langthorne. Especially about winning -- nothing sells better than success.

I'm not suggesting either should coach again, but surely we should be looking to the Dwyer and MacQueen teams for an indigenous style of rugby that can beat the world and play attractive football.
 

Scorz

Syd Malcolm (24)
Yeah Robbie Deans invented the AB counter-attack off turnover ball. Pffft. Pretty much been the core of the All Black game, choking* defence followed by scoring off oppo mistakes. FFS.

*go on it's an open door for a giggle :)
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Yeah Robbie Deans invented the AB counter-attack off turnover ball. Pffft. Pretty much been the core of the All Black game, choking* defence followed by scoring off oppo mistakes. FFS.

*go on it's an open door for a giggle :)

Nah. Too easy, no sport in that.
 
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