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Afternoon vs Night games

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Tony Shaw (54)
R Wilson's view re the place of afternoon rugby @ SFS:


ARU finally sees light
by: Rebecca Wilson The Daily Telegraph June 23, 2012

RUGBY union's tenuous grip on major football code status has been loosening since ARU boss, John O'Neill, returned to the fold from that other sick footy chook, Football Federation Australia.

O'Neill's second tenure as boss has been anything but spectacular, marked by a generally terrible brand of football across Australia's Super 15 teams, dramatically declining crowd numbers in NSW and the reappointment of a Wallabies coach who had overseen the emptying of the trophy cabinet for two years.

Today, however, we have small cause for celebration and, I can report with a modicum of joy, that it might mean the penny has finally dropped at ARU headquarters.

Today's Test against Wales at Allianz Stadium is a return to those days in rugby history when Sydney was the heartland of the code, Tests were played in daylight and people who actually liked rugby went to games.

The former Sydney Football Stadium is a joyous place to watch league and union.

But it is rugby union where it shines, with the crowd traditionally gathering just before kick-off after pouring out of the local pubs of Paddington and Surry Hills.

Rugby Tests at this stadium are a celebration of community. You feel like you are part of a rugby family living in a village of like-minded souls.

Rugby disappeared up its own rear end when Australia hosted the World Cup back in 2003. It became all about the corporates and jamming as many of them as possible into cavernous stadiums that had no historical connection to the sport.

Australian Rugby lost sight of its roots, opting to turn itself into a business first and game second. The result of that folly is clear for all to see - budget blowouts, falling Test match crowds and a national side that had forgotten to run the ball.

All of a sudden, Bledisloe Cup matches were being played in Melbourne, where nobody really gives a toss about who wins or who is playing.

They are soulless affairs, inhabited by sponsors and rugby tragics who could be bothered travelling from interstate. There is no pre-match hype, no meeting mates at the local pub and no sense of a home ground advantage.

Night Tests have become the norm, with Sydney's new rugby "home", the former Olympic stadium at Homebush.

It might pack the crowds in but the place shuts down at full-time and the torturous carpark queue is as close as you get to mingling with like-minded rugby fans.

Today, we herald the return of common sense to rugby Test match scheduling.

Club rugby has been put on hold for the day so genuine fans can attend.

They will see a rejuvenated Wallabies side playing a top-class Welsh team coming off two unexpected losses against the home team.

The acting Wallabies captain, David Pocock, is an apt leader for today's clash.

He plays rugby with a passion and fire that harks back to the grand days of SCG rugby Tests.

All indications are that he might well be the man to lead Australia out of the dark. Certainly the past two Tests have seen the Wallabies run the ball more than they have for three years.

A diabolical World Cup in New Zealand and some worse than poor Super XV performances mean that even rugby diehards are fed up with their game. Too much kicking, not enough running and scrummaging laws that require a degree to decipher have put the code at serious risk of dropping off the radar.

Instead of listening to what fans want, the ARU has pigheadedly ploughed ahead with its corporates first strategy. John O'Neill and his staff love big talking but they have forgotten what attracts fans to the game - simple things such as running rugby, a great match day atmosphere and a big happy crowd.

Fans have voted with their feet by deserting the Waratahs this season.

Sydneysiders have a chance to see rugby redeem itself today. Daytime Tests have a ready-made sense of history that harks back to the days when the Sydney Cricket Ground played host to some of the great rugby Test matches.

There was really not much better than a chilly winter's afternoon spent watching the shadows grow long at the SCG.

Allianz Stadium on a late June afternoon hosting two fine rugby nations in a Test match. Call me old fashioned but, for a rugby fan who has hankered for something good to happen to this code for more than a few years, it doesn't get much better.
 

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Larry Dwyer (12)
R Wilson's view re the place of afternoon rugby @ SFS:
I was glad to see decent test match rugby back at the SFS and agree that it is the better place to watch rugby. Atmosphere, location and being a day game, if i was still living there i would've gladly taken my girls to watch yesterdays game even as a neutral(well slightly biased in favour of the welsh;))
 

Rob42

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
The Tahs afternoon games haven't affected club rugby this season - the early-season Saturday game was prior to club games starting, the Crusaders game was Sunday pm.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
I usually put Rebecca Wilson's articles in the Grumbles New Idea feature article category.

As I read through her article I got more and more impressed. Nail on the head. The heartland of Australian Rugby is Moore Park and Ballymore. Can't say too much about Ballymore but Lang Park isn't too bad as a substitute. Moore Park is rugby. Homebush is commercial corporate gouging. Fact.

The education of the Wilson jnrs at Cranbrook was not entirely wasted.
 

jermano

Ted Fahey (11)
the Melbourne Rebels have played one Sunday afternoon game this year, on the same Sunday as the F1 GP. before the game the small park beside AAMI was packed with families and kids running around having a blast. this attitude made the game better and hopefully they will do it at least once a year.
 

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
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I like afternoon games but would want them on a Sunday so I can watch them. If there was a test in Brisbane on a Sunday arvo I would take the family along, something that isn't an option at night. I think the mindset of the crowd is different and it is much more enjoyable. I grew up on the eastern side of Ballymore on Sunday arvo's and I loved it. It would be great if my kids could have the same experience at Lang park.
 

Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
From my perspective the ,club rugby clash' point is moot. When I was running around playing club footy out in the suburbs, by the time the reggies and A's had played (1:30 then 3pm-ish), then everyone got cleaned up, had something to eat then do the 3-2-1's speeches etc, there was no chance any of us would be able to make it in to Suncorp by kick off to watch the Reds/Wallabies. It's probably different in Sydney where I'm sure you're all more referring to (Shute Shield etc) but for me, it made no difference if it was arvo or evening.

But in saying all of that, growing up and watching the legends play at Ballymore, and playing myself in club it was always a daytime thing and that's when it feels like it dhoulf be played. I reckon Sunday arvo tests would be the way to go, but only every now and then....
 

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Peter Sullivan (51)
From my perspective the ,club rugby clash' point is moot. When I was running around playing club footy out in the suburbs, by the time the reggies and A's had played (1:30 then 3pm-ish), then everyone got cleaned up, had something to eat then do the 3-2-1's speeches etc, there was no chance any of us would be able to make it in to Suncorp by kick off to watch the Reds/Wallabies. It's probably different in Sydney where I'm sure you're all more referring to (Shute Shield etc) but for me, it made no difference if it was arvo or evening.

But in saying all of that, growing up and watching the legends play at Ballymore, and playing myself in club it was always a daytime thing and that's when it feels like it dhoulf be played. I reckon Sunday arvo tests would be the way to go, but only every now and then..
but you can at least still watch a game on tv if not live if you are not currently playing, I thought the clash issue was that if you are currently on the bottom of a ruck you cant also watch TV with your team mates
 

Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
but you can at least still watch a game on tv if not live if you are not currently playing, I thought the clash issue was that if you are currently on the bottom of a ruck you cant also watch TV with your team mates

Roger. That would be an issue. I stand corrected! ;-)
 

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Larry Dwyer (12)
I know that Rebecca Wilson article is just designed to wind people up but it was particularly stupid. According to her logic there cannot be any test matches in Melbourne and we don't meet friends in pubs - what is this some noted Sydney specialty, what with all your wonderful pubs?

And how the ARU are responsible for the laws of the game and the manner in which coaches coach their teams is quite beyond me.

While I'm on it, there was some criticism of the size of the Melbourne test turnout of 34000. Yet I read that Sydney only got 42000? That is relatively pathetic don't you think?

I like afternoon rugby, it means I can bring my six year old boy along. Future fans and all that. I'm also far more likely to buy overpriced merchandise for him than i am for myself.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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The SFS crowd was almost 43,000 and was technically a sellout.

The difference between the crowd size and capacity is presumably no shows from corporates and members.
 

p.Tah

John Thornett (49)
but you can at least still watch a game on tv if not live if you are not currently playing, I thought the clash issue was that if you are currently on the bottom of a ruck you cant also watch TV with your team mates
Can't all club competitions start earlier if there is an afternoon test?
 

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
Staff member
Can't all club competitions start earlier if there is an afternoon test?
With Junior fixtures in the morning I think most clubs struggle to get all the games in the day as it is. I think one game a season in the arvo and rotate in around the different cities would be the way to go. Then you could match up the bye weekend that most comps have.
 

Ignoto

Peter Sullivan (51)
With Junior fixtures in the morning I think most clubs struggle to get all the games in the day as it is. I think one game a season in the arvo and rotate in around the different cities would be the way to go. Then you could match up the bye weekend that most comps have.

I thought most juniors play on a Saturday morning (ages 6/7-12) play away when seniors are at home and vice versa. Then the 12's-17's play on Sunday.
 

Mr Doug

Dick Tooth (41)
The Mayans built football stadiums back in the day?

Yes, for their rugby matches that were played on Sunday afternoons. The losing team had to supply a virgin from within their supporter base, to be sacrificed. Her blood was drained, poured into the trophy, (usually a large bronze goblet), and enjoyed by all the members of the winning team, [plus the referee]!....I thought everyone knew this!!
 

Lior

Herbert Moran (7)
I think Sunday afternoon matches would be a hit, surprised they don't pursue more of them. The SFS was a magnificent sight for the weekends match, it's refreshing to see everything so enclosed. As Ron Wilson points out, the location of the SFS makes it far more attractive with more people visiting Paddington and other areas before the match.

Saturday afternoon games wouldn't be that big of a hit because people do stuff on Saturday's. I think it is as simple as that. Kids are carted off to sport. Much of the Rugby demographic differs so drastically compared to Rugby League and AFL as well. So we need to take all that into account.
 

kronic

John Solomon (38)
Force have a 5:35 k/o this Saturday, interesting to compare their crowd numbers with the Sunday game that I went to.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
This weekend ought to be pretty big at the Force, due to it being Sharpie's last home game. Day games are often pretty well patronised over here.
 
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