Sir Arthur Higgins
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Good viewing and audio here.
Unlike in the amateur days where guys like Loe made a living out of it. Apparently so well respected he became a tv pundit, incredible.
Pretty sure thats exactly what he did. It's an unprecedented call but Foley, and the forwards, are certainly culpable too.My understanding is that the referee can call time off at any time he likes. If my assumption is true (it used to be that the referee was the sole judge of time) Raynal should have called time off, told Foley to kick the bloody thing, and then called time on.
The way Swain crocked his arm says different, I'm afraid.There's still absolutely no way he intended to injure a player. Fuck me, he's a professional - it doesn't happen.
I dont think so. Watching it live and then again the replay makes it very clear that the call is odd. He should have just called on time as he was taking the kick. There was no reason to stop the play. All he had to do was call on time when Foley kicked the pill.Pretty sure thats exactly what he did. It's an unprecedented call but Foley, and the forwards, are certainly culpable too.
It was interesting to hear Nigel Owens thoughts who was much less certain of a red than the seething masses.Fletcher Newell not even cited for the same act as Swain.
Maybe there’s something in staying down…
Refereeing on outcome? Footage shows All Black attacking leg as Wallaby prepares for hearing
Refereeing on outcome? Footage shows All Black attacking leg as Wallaby prepares for hearingwww.foxsports.com.au
It’s OK the usual suspects will spend the next four pages explaining why this was completely different And Swain‘s was so much worse.Fletcher Newell not even cited for the same act as Swain.
Maybe there’s something in staying down…
Refereeing on outcome? Footage shows All Black attacking leg as Wallaby prepares for hearing
Refereeing on outcome? Footage shows All Black attacking leg as Wallaby prepares for hearingwww.foxsports.com.au
It’s OK the usual suspects will spend the next four pages explaining why this was completely different And Swain‘s was so much worse.
Just saw the footage of that convo on WWOS' youtube - Turinui made the comment that the ref backed himself into a corner, and how defensive he got in the post-game certainly suggests that as well.Just saw a transcript of the post game conversation.
White
“I understand but he was just about to kick it out and for two seconds … mate, that just cost us the Rugby Championship.”
Raynal
“If you think I’m not capable to give a scrum, you’re making a mistake. So now you know it.”
Says it all. What a f&@king self centred egotistical response All about him.
The cnut can go shove a baguette up his arse.
Right on cueIt’s OK the usual suspects will spend the next four pages explaining why this was completely different And Swain‘s was so much worse.
Need reference picks from the other incident to be able to decide. Gunna have to give you an F for incomplete referencing.Ok, I'll revert to parochial archetype for you. It was worse. That's it. That's all you get. It literally doesn't even need explaining. You can just look at it.
I'm genuinely ok if we want to start penalising players for clearing out the legs (I've been slowly converted to the safety first thinking over the last few years). Just another one we can all whinge about when one gets picked up and another one doesn't. Like all those players that get penalised at mauls for 'working the legs' (or not), like the players that swim round the side of mauls that get penalised (or not). Like the players that get pinged for putting their hands on the ground first before the pilfer (or not).
Further villainous archetyping, I'd also like to formally retract my supportive indignation for the last minute penalty. This is after having seen Foley deliberately ignore the ref directly tell him to wait, twice, and take his very quick conversion. To avoid the obvious forward pass for the try being brought up. Raynel literally put his whistle to his mouth and just balked for some reason.
psst. I still think the call in the last minute was wrong (in the way it was implemented), I just have lost all sympathy for it.
You're welcome Th0mo.
Ok, I'll revert to parochial archetype for you. It was worse. That's it. That's all you get. It literally doesn't even need explaining. You can just look at it.
You're welcome Th0mo.
But you gave me pics of the one but not the other? Sadly the video of Newells in the article is not great and a poor angle but both involved coming in from side, grabbing the leg and dropping weight on it. One resulted in serious injury, the other fortunately did not. It would be great if there were some objective guidelines like we have for other areas of foul play. I was happy with the YC and had to explain the whole dropping weight on to leg thing to my kids during the game but not sure what makes Swain‘s a red and Newell‘s not worthy of further scrutiny.
Right on cue