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Call me crazy but with some of those forwards it actually looks like we might have the size to compete for once...
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2016 Under-20 Rugby World Championships - Manchester UK
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Ted Fahey (11)
Not sure I would call Fowler unlucky. Gilmour told him way back in pre season he was 4th in line at Q20's and then referred to him as disloyal when took up offer at Rebs. Fairly certain Adrian Thompson was told who the halfbacks would be even before win over the Blacks. (yes I have an agenda here!) Someone mentioned earlier something along the lines that those anointed early (the schoolboy stars) get forgiven for multiple sins but those that miss the early call to greatness have no margin for error and have to do it many many times over to get any recognition. The kiwis do this whole process so much better than we do !
I hope I am wrong with this next thought but Perese is only 1 game back from major knee surgery and I do not think this was even a full game. It would be great if he was fully fit, but please do not break him and even the best of the best (eg Horan and Little) took quite a bit of time to get everything going again. Not sure U20WC is the place to find this out.
I hope I am wrong with this next thought but Perese is only 1 game back from major knee surgery and I do not think this was even a full game. It would be great if he was fully fit, but please do not break him and even the best of the best (eg Horan and Little) took quite a bit of time to get everything going again. Not sure U20WC is the place to find this out.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Pretty sure there will be some solid training sessions and a further trial game or two in Sydney before U20RWC.
If Perese can regain his NRC form, he should do OK at U20RWC. We seem to have some flexibility in the Centres/Back 3 even if Perese doesn't fully regain match fitness.
If Perese can regain his NRC form, he should do OK at U20RWC. We seem to have some flexibility in the Centres/Back 3 even if Perese doesn't fully regain match fitness.
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Perese is a big gamble... But he is such a talented player, if he is fit to play then he should be over there with the squad
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Crichton would be first forward picked in the Aus side. Hopefully he comes back one day.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
^^^ Didn't realise he had converted to Tighthead Prop.
The Trainers at the Bunnies must have stacked the kilos on him for him to be the first selected.
The Trainers at the Bunnies must have stacked the kilos on him for him to be the first selected.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
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John Eales (66)
I've just had a chance to watch the Saturday game.
I'm more confident of a good showing in Manchester now. If Rodda can get up to full match fitness the Aussies will have a couple of bruiser locks, with Lukhan released by the Reds. And with McCauley doing his thing and Hocking being a fine second rower, we should be served well in that area.
The backrowers were impressive. I have long mentioned that Fox would be a better player if he lost the roll of fat around his waist and I'll keep to that, but he played well nevertheless.
It would be better if the backrow had a power runner in the mix for games against teams like England - or South Africa should they meet - since Leota (really a no.8 in my book) won't be starting in the main games this year (though hopefully, next).
The scrummaging was impressive again, with Sione being the surprise to me once more, but credit to the Kiwis for keeping low and straight when being pushed back; not too many pro scrums can do that.
But I'd like to see the props do more dominant things in general play - counter-rucking and contesting the same, carries in traffic, and being strong and accurate over the ball to earn a pilfer or a penalty.
Scrummie Fowler played better this time (and Mason benefited), but you can't doubt the pedigree of Tuttle and Nucifora: the chosen players.
The back cadre chosen is out of balance, as it nearly always is in Oz U20 teams: too many who can play in the centres and compromises elsewhere.
Mason is the only specialist flyhalf. I've seen Jooste play flyhalf as a schoolboy, but he didn't look like a specialist to me: just one of those best boys in the team that are given the 10 jersey. Mind you, I said that about Debreczeni at Trinity.
So, what happens if Mason is hurt at Jooste plays 10 - who then is the backup for Maddocks at fullback?
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I'm more confident of a good showing in Manchester now. If Rodda can get up to full match fitness the Aussies will have a couple of bruiser locks, with Lukhan released by the Reds. And with McCauley doing his thing and Hocking being a fine second rower, we should be served well in that area.
The backrowers were impressive. I have long mentioned that Fox would be a better player if he lost the roll of fat around his waist and I'll keep to that, but he played well nevertheless.
It would be better if the backrow had a power runner in the mix for games against teams like England - or South Africa should they meet - since Leota (really a no.8 in my book) won't be starting in the main games this year (though hopefully, next).
The scrummaging was impressive again, with Sione being the surprise to me once more, but credit to the Kiwis for keeping low and straight when being pushed back; not too many pro scrums can do that.
But I'd like to see the props do more dominant things in general play - counter-rucking and contesting the same, carries in traffic, and being strong and accurate over the ball to earn a pilfer or a penalty.
Scrummie Fowler played better this time (and Mason benefited), but you can't doubt the pedigree of Tuttle and Nucifora: the chosen players.
The back cadre chosen is out of balance, as it nearly always is in Oz U20 teams: too many who can play in the centres and compromises elsewhere.
Mason is the only specialist flyhalf. I've seen Jooste play flyhalf as a schoolboy, but he didn't look like a specialist to me: just one of those best boys in the team that are given the 10 jersey. Mind you, I said that about Debreczeni at Trinity.
So, what happens if Mason is hurt at Jooste plays 10 - who then is the backup for Maddocks at fullback?
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Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
It may seem ominous that we are in the same pool as England again, but they had poor results in the U20 6N this year - everybody beat them, except Italy.
The gun team was undefeated Wales (who beat England 42-16). On paper their pool game against NZ could be a cracker. The Kiwis will have a better team than they fielded at Bond (as will Oz), but they could be more vulnerable than we think.
The other blockbuster pool game could be the Baby Boks against France, who lost narrowly to Wales in 6N and won their other matches.
But the Aussies could have a banana skin game against Scotland. They gave Wales a tough game and will be better than they were last year.
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The gun team was undefeated Wales (who beat England 42-16). On paper their pool game against NZ could be a cracker. The Kiwis will have a better team than they fielded at Bond (as will Oz), but they could be more vulnerable than we think.
The other blockbuster pool game could be the Baby Boks against France, who lost narrowly to Wales in 6N and won their other matches.
But the Aussies could have a banana skin game against Scotland. They gave Wales a tough game and will be better than they were last year.
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Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
I might do a quick check to compare what changes have been made to the Soap Dodgers U20 squad between their 6N team which underperformed somewhat and their squad announced for Manchester.
One would think they would have the cattle to perform better than they did in the 6N.
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Soap Dodger Squad Analysis
28 players were used in the 2016 6N fixtures v Italy (W 42-7) & v Wales (L 16-42)
11 of those are not in the U20 RWC
New
Darren Atkins (Bath Rugby)
Josh Bainbridge (Yorkshire Carnegie)
Theo Brophy-Clews (London Irish)
Will Evans (Leicester Tigers)
Matt Gallagher (Saracens)
Harry Mallinder (Northampton Saints)
Harry Randall (Gloucester Rugby)
Billy Walker (Saracens)
Jack Walker (Yorkshire Carnegie)
Johnny Williams (London Irish)
Not new
Lewis Boyce (Yorkshire Carnegie)
Callum Chick (Newcastle Falcons)
Max Green (Yorkshire Carnegie)
Billy Keast (Exeter Chiefs)
Andrew Kitchener (Worcester Warriors)
Max Malins (Saracens)
Joe Marchant (Harlequins)
Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby)
George Nott (Sale Sharks)
George Perkins (Saracens)
Jack Singleton (Worcester Warriors)
Stan South (Harlequins)
Will Stuart (Wasps)
Huw Taylor (Worcester Warriors)
Ollie Thorley (Gloucester Rugby)
Tom West (Wasps)
Jack Willis (Wasps)
Goooooone
13. Charlie Thacker
12. George Worth
10. Mathew Protheroe
7. Samuel Smith
16. Curtis Langdon
19. Alex Moon
21. Callum Waters
22. Joe Simmonds
23. Paolo Odogwu
17. Ralph Adams-Hale
21. Jamie Shillcock
One would think they would have the cattle to perform better than they did in the 6N.
Edit:
Soap Dodger Squad Analysis
28 players were used in the 2016 6N fixtures v Italy (W 42-7) & v Wales (L 16-42)
11 of those are not in the U20 RWC
New
Darren Atkins (Bath Rugby)
Josh Bainbridge (Yorkshire Carnegie)
Theo Brophy-Clews (London Irish)
Will Evans (Leicester Tigers)
Matt Gallagher (Saracens)
Harry Mallinder (Northampton Saints)
Harry Randall (Gloucester Rugby)
Billy Walker (Saracens)
Jack Walker (Yorkshire Carnegie)
Johnny Williams (London Irish)
Not new
Lewis Boyce (Yorkshire Carnegie)
Callum Chick (Newcastle Falcons)
Max Green (Yorkshire Carnegie)
Billy Keast (Exeter Chiefs)
Andrew Kitchener (Worcester Warriors)
Max Malins (Saracens)
Joe Marchant (Harlequins)
Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby)
George Nott (Sale Sharks)
George Perkins (Saracens)
Jack Singleton (Worcester Warriors)
Stan South (Harlequins)
Will Stuart (Wasps)
Huw Taylor (Worcester Warriors)
Ollie Thorley (Gloucester Rugby)
Tom West (Wasps)
Jack Willis (Wasps)
Goooooone
13. Charlie Thacker
12. George Worth
10. Mathew Protheroe
7. Samuel Smith
16. Curtis Langdon
19. Alex Moon
21. Callum Waters
22. Joe Simmonds
23. Paolo Odogwu
17. Ralph Adams-Hale
21. Jamie Shillcock
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Jason Little (69)
Jooste is known as "Bernie Junior" apparently at the Brumbies and was reported to have been recruited as a 10. He played 10 to Jackson-Hope at 12 in some of this year's trials. I think he is more a 10 than 12 but was outstanding at 12 last Saturday.
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I remember that article, he was called 'Bernie Junior' because he looked like Larkham the first week he turned up....
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Well, let's see how he goes - he's a similar player to Maddocks who I believe played some at flyhalf in Colts last year - if I remember correctly from looking him up when the NSW squad was announced yonks ago.
I think Jooste is a 12 who can play 15. He's solid tackling big opponents and is not easy to stop himself - yet he has deft hands as he showed leading up to the Fittock try.
I could have been describing Maddocks who also had deft hands in the lead-up to the Sorovi try in the first game.
One thing remarkable about Maddocks and why he will be preferred at 15 - if it ever came to a decision between Jooste and him - is that he can kick the ball a long way with both feet.
There is scarcely a Super Rugby player who can do that; the only other player I recall who can is Harry Jones, who toured with the Tahs to Cape Town recently but didn't play.
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I think Jooste is a 12 who can play 15. He's solid tackling big opponents and is not easy to stop himself - yet he has deft hands as he showed leading up to the Fittock try.
I could have been describing Maddocks who also had deft hands in the lead-up to the Sorovi try in the first game.
One thing remarkable about Maddocks and why he will be preferred at 15 - if it ever came to a decision between Jooste and him - is that he can kick the ball a long way with both feet.
There is scarcely a Super Rugby player who can do that; the only other player I recall who can is Harry Jones, who toured with the Tahs to Cape Town recently but didn't play.
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BaysideBird
Bill Watson (15)
USA aren't in the comp...
I think if they were desperate to fit in Jooste then Mason would be the one looking over his shoulder. To be honest I would like to see Jooste get that 10 spot but the choice has seemingly been made.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/r...t/news-story/1f9ffcdb13face47b12c962af0142612
I liked this article. Certainly suggests that the funding a proper competition rather than a handful of tournaments will continue to be more appealing to School Leavers, and encourage some to stick with Union instead of going to league.
I liked this article. Certainly suggests that the funding a proper competition rather than a handful of tournaments will continue to be more appealing to School Leavers, and encourage some to stick with Union instead of going to league.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
Last Comment on our boys before the shit talk in the lead up to the game.
This is a very very good Scottish side (with Scottish of course being the key word). Fagerson and Cummings have 33 and 9 Glasgow caps each, and Fagerson a Full International one. Ritchie and Kinghorn have 16 and 17 respectively, and Hastings has a couple of starts at 10 for Bath, despite having Ford, Priestland and Eastmond ahead of him. The rest of boys are either in English academies, the newly established (and seemingly successful) Scots Academies, or are last years incumbents returning from injury.
The coaches will fully be expecting 2 wins in the pool stages from this squad, and with the way the schedule has fallen, I can't help but feel that unlike previous seasons, when we've clearly put out a 2nd string side against the strongest team in the pool in hopes of keeping them fresh for the other 2 games, Italy will be the team who gets the "rested" side, and you guys will face the first XV.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
@highlander, Do you know what preparation the Scots be doing before Manchester? Any more trials? Are they significantly better than the 6N squad?
Do you think the Soap Dodgers squad is significantly stronger than that used for the 6N u20?
Do you think the Soap Dodgers squad is significantly stronger than that used for the 6N u20?
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