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Steve Williams (59)
Yes, Deegan. That one.
2015 IRB Junior Rugby World Cup - Italy
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So all your comments about Tuttle were actually about Deegan? Might be worth going back and changing your post.
As for Deegan? Don't worry about him. He's the shizzle.
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Herbert Moran (7)
I heard comments along these lines during the off season, to the effect that the selectors/coaches would be watching very carefully for accurate throwing in the U20 champs in Canberra.
I remember thinking that was unlikely, and they would most likely go for hookers who could add bulk and size to the forward pack rather than accuracy in line out throwing. Perhaps I was right?!
In the end, hooking the ball in the scrum isn't all that difficult these days, but if you can't give accurate, reliable and repeatable delivery pretty much every time in the line out throwing department, you aren't a very good hooker.
Anyone on this forum tried throwing a decent line out ball - straight, high, hard and on target - to the 2nd or 3rd pod lately? That's about 12-15 metres, depending. It's bloody hard to do.
Of course, bad jumping and lifting can make even the best hooker's throw look bad. Are you sure it was the throwing and not the lifting?
We're there any hookers better at throwing, who could hold their own around the field as well, in Canberra? Or are Folau and McInernay the best we've got?
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Ken Catchpole (46)
I agree with all your other points but would like to add to the ease-of-hooking argument that "it all depends". With a crooked feed by the half, then yes, you are right. However a evenly matched opposition scrum and a straight feed requires all 8 forwards with both feet in a pushing position. Hooking then becomes very difficult.
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Bill Watson (15)
Hookers have had to learn to hook again as you can no longer march over the ball, and scrums are so low that it is nearly physically impossible to get the foot into the centre of the tunnel.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
Perhaps it's time to bring Adam Frier (at 5' 9") back.
Probably time for me to head to the scrum thread though.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Keep an eye out for James Wilkinson from Gordon for next year for the #2 role.
He is playing 1st Grade Club Rugby in Shute Shield in his first year out of school, and he seems to have bulked up a bit from when I saw him playing Schoolboy and Colts football last year without losing any pace around the field.
If you are looking for aggressive boppers at hooker for next year, then Alekisio Marfi (Alex Mafi) (QLD) and Siuta (Timote) Tai (ACT) are lurking in the wings. Marfi is playing First Grade for Bond University in Qld Premier Rugby while Tai has just returned from the Junior Rugby World Trophy where he represented Tonga.
I felt that there could be improvements in lifting and jumping as well as better lineout communication and decision making which contributed to the sub par performance but McInernay did throw some shockers. Credit should also go to the Samoa lineout who seemed to work pretty efficiently as a defensive lineout. Maybe they worked out our calls from the games at the Oceania Tournament.
He is playing 1st Grade Club Rugby in Shute Shield in his first year out of school, and he seems to have bulked up a bit from when I saw him playing Schoolboy and Colts football last year without losing any pace around the field.
If you are looking for aggressive boppers at hooker for next year, then Alekisio Marfi (Alex Mafi) (QLD) and Siuta (Timote) Tai (ACT) are lurking in the wings. Marfi is playing First Grade for Bond University in Qld Premier Rugby while Tai has just returned from the Junior Rugby World Trophy where he represented Tonga.
I felt that there could be improvements in lifting and jumping as well as better lineout communication and decision making which contributed to the sub par performance but McInernay did throw some shockers. Credit should also go to the Samoa lineout who seemed to work pretty efficiently as a defensive lineout. Maybe they worked out our calls from the games at the Oceania Tournament.
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John Eales (66)
Guys lets not write the Junior Wallabies off just yet.Allow a little bit of leniency as they played very much improved samoan team when they would normally be in the middle of a deep sleep only a week ago.
Yes lineouts are ordinary. They must practice for thd next four days intently and introduce an option where they throw short to first pod is a must.
This squad does not have many big names in its gallery but could turn out a very effective squad for that very reason but each player must do their own job competently and minimise skill errors.
we also must instill that if you are awarded penalty in or near easy kicking range take the points, they didnt do that last night and opted for a scrum,. Very wrong call by captain/team in my view as with kick option you can rest your forward pack momentarily in very hot conditions which is very valuable in tournament play.
I am also concerned a little bit by playing rushing outside defence and leaving two defenders slightly deeper to cover sideline or a missed tackle on inside , I know it is coached into them but it is a dangerous strategy and NZ exploited that weakness in first half at Bond recently.
I hope they do very well v the host nation and secure a bonus point win as that will make it very interesting for top four.
I think NZ are the equivalent of England of 2014 and I do not think we are as far behind the Northern Hemisphere sides as some might think..
Go you little wallabies do your country proud.
Yes lineouts are ordinary. They must practice for thd next four days intently and introduce an option where they throw short to first pod is a must.
This squad does not have many big names in its gallery but could turn out a very effective squad for that very reason but each player must do their own job competently and minimise skill errors.
we also must instill that if you are awarded penalty in or near easy kicking range take the points, they didnt do that last night and opted for a scrum,. Very wrong call by captain/team in my view as with kick option you can rest your forward pack momentarily in very hot conditions which is very valuable in tournament play.
I am also concerned a little bit by playing rushing outside defence and leaving two defenders slightly deeper to cover sideline or a missed tackle on inside , I know it is coached into them but it is a dangerous strategy and NZ exploited that weakness in first half at Bond recently.
I hope they do very well v the host nation and secure a bonus point win as that will make it very interesting for top four.
I think NZ are the equivalent of England of 2014 and I do not think we are as far behind the Northern Hemisphere sides as some might think..
Go you little wallabies do your country proud.
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Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
He's a good 'un and I thought he would be a chance in the NSW U20s this year. I thought I saw a ranga like him in December in the the mix, but I could have been wrong - and there was a big cast of characters before they were cut.
He's a terror and was was not the wost no. 6 playing for CCC schools either, just quietly. Can't remember how he threw for the Combined States side in the nationals but more important is how he is doing in club rugby now.
Look out for 2014 Oz Schools hooker Ed Craig next year also. He played Colts when at school last year before he was injured, and was #2 hooker for the NSW U20s this year ahead of Wilkinson and others.
That's a good pair from these parts.
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Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
^^^ I left Craig out of my comments above on the basis that the Selectors tend to look more favourably on those that are playing Top Level rugby. Perhaps this is because most of their likely opponents at Jnr RWC are already playing Senior Grade or even Pro Rugby, and are "conditioned" to the increased physicality of Senior Grade/Pro football by regularly playing against physically mature and mentally astute old rugby heads.
I haven't seen Craig's name on the team lists of the Woodies Grade teams so far, but I would hope to see him get a couple of 2nds cameos off the bench towards the end of the season, and possibly ride the pine in 1st Grade as well. Be good to see him start for the Woodies against Gordon to see him and Wilko go head to head, but Gordon played Woodies in round 2 and will not meet again this year.
Craig does have a reasonable throw, and apparently makes good use of the new Hookers Throwing Target device recently installed at TG Millner.
I haven't seen Craig's name on the team lists of the Woodies Grade teams so far, but I would hope to see him get a couple of 2nds cameos off the bench towards the end of the season, and possibly ride the pine in 1st Grade as well. Be good to see him start for the Woodies against Gordon to see him and Wilko go head to head, but Gordon played Woodies in round 2 and will not meet again this year.
Craig does have a reasonable throw, and apparently makes good use of the new Hookers Throwing Target device recently installed at TG Millner.
There is a highlights video on the world rugby site now (that wasn't there when I checked earlier in the day)
http://www.worldrugby.org/u20/video/74861
http://www.worldrugby.org/u20/video/74861
next game i dont think theyre will be too much change maybe in the fowards with the hooker, one prop , lock and one backrow...
in the backs i think duncan may come in at 10 and redden in for kellaway who may push for the centres , we need a big win against the italians , sorry i think i should of said we need to try win this game first before anything else
in the backs i think duncan may come in at 10 and redden in for kellaway who may push for the centres , we need a big win against the italians , sorry i think i should of said we need to try win this game first before anything else
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
This I posted on the front page report.
LG thanks. I did see the match a little differently to you in some aspects. I thought, by the commentary, that the Samoan side was a pretty useful outfit, full of players born or raised in NZ and playing through the NZ schools system and some now in the ITM competition. The win by Aus I thought had a bit more merit than perhaps you've given them.
On individual players, I thought Orr, Hanigan, Fakaosilea, Tuipolotu and Placid were outstanding. Jonah still likes to hog the ball though.
Those I thought were not up to the standard, at least in this game, were Sandell, Tuttle, Magnay and Newsome.
The others were adequate, although Kellaway was terrific on the few occasions he got the ball. I tend to agree with the NZ commentators that having the captain on the wing is not a good move. It seemed to them, and to me, that he was passing off some of the decision making to the forwards when penalties were awarded close to the try line, and we all know what forwards will do when they see a penalty near the try line.
LG thanks. I did see the match a little differently to you in some aspects. I thought, by the commentary, that the Samoan side was a pretty useful outfit, full of players born or raised in NZ and playing through the NZ schools system and some now in the ITM competition. The win by Aus I thought had a bit more merit than perhaps you've given them.
On individual players, I thought Orr, Hanigan, Fakaosilea, Tuipolotu and Placid were outstanding. Jonah still likes to hog the ball though.
Those I thought were not up to the standard, at least in this game, were Sandell, Tuttle, Magnay and Newsome.
The others were adequate, although Kellaway was terrific on the few occasions he got the ball. I tend to agree with the NZ commentators that having the captain on the wing is not a good move. It seemed to them, and to me, that he was passing off some of the decision making to the forwards when penalties were awarded close to the try line, and we all know what forwards will do when they see a penalty near the try line.
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Herbert Moran (7)
Yes, but that then becomes an issue for the entire scrum, not a failure on the part of the hooker. If it's going backwards, then it's not the hooker's fault if they loose their feed. Right?
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
He went to John Edmondson High School but he was identified from playing Colts for Southern Districts and not in the Ones either.
He played no. 8 for the CHS Twos last year, and chosen for Combined States in the nationals.
And that was in his first year of rugby
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