2012 S15: Scrum Changes
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PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Forget about the Stormers, their scrum was better then average last year. Personally I think the Tahs and Reds maybe OK with this but the other Aus teams will struggle , ditto Hurricanes & Chiefs.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
This will make Lee (I think) happy - but the poms will see it as further aligning the southern hemisphere game with league
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Am I misreading the effect - wont it depower the hit?
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Dont think so, you need strong fatties to give you go forward from engage.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
The hit is aready depowered due to the small distance between the fatties heads.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
but it will be 3 on 3?
Not 8 on 8 (or 7 on 7)?
Not 8 on 8 (or 7 on 7)?
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
3 on 3.
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spooony
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The so-called 'Big Five' - tackle, scrum, offside, ruck, and maul - remain the priority areas as in previous years but with additional emphasis on the following points:
Scrum:
• Alignment - front rows must be in a position to interlock on engagement; there must be no touching of heads.
• Early engagement - both teams must start the engagement process simultaneously on the referee's call.
• Engagement angles - front rows must push straight and parallel to the touchlines; loosehead props must not 'walk' the scrum around the tighthead.
• Binding - front rankers must bind on their opponent in the appropriate manner; no hands on the ground for support.
• Post-engagement infringements - illegal wheeling on purpose, so-called 'whip wheeling' and not pushing straight and parallel to the touchline are all actions to be penalised.
Tackle:
• The tackler must release and clear away after the tackler.
• The tackler assist must release and show clear and obvious release before going for the ball.
• Arriving players must not go past the ball into an offside position and try to obstruct the opposition going for the ball.
• Players must respect the offside lines at the ruck and maul (the hindmost foot of their player in the ruck or maul).
• Arriving players not attempting to clean-out the opposition must demonstrate positive actions to stay on their feet.
• A player who uses correct technique but ends up off his feet after removing a threat is not penalised; this is a positive action and the "hammer or snake" technique is included here.
Assistant Referees at Super Rugby will also be called on to take a more involved approach to the game without becoming an interference or hindrance to the referee. This will involve greater monitoring of offside lines at the ruck and maul and infringements close to the touchline where the referee may be unsighted.
http://www.sareferees.co.za/news/ref_news/2841466.htm
Scrum:
• Alignment - front rows must be in a position to interlock on engagement; there must be no touching of heads.
• Early engagement - both teams must start the engagement process simultaneously on the referee's call.
• Engagement angles - front rows must push straight and parallel to the touchlines; loosehead props must not 'walk' the scrum around the tighthead.
• Binding - front rankers must bind on their opponent in the appropriate manner; no hands on the ground for support.
• Post-engagement infringements - illegal wheeling on purpose, so-called 'whip wheeling' and not pushing straight and parallel to the touchline are all actions to be penalised.
Tackle:
• The tackler must release and clear away after the tackler.
• The tackler assist must release and show clear and obvious release before going for the ball.
• Arriving players must not go past the ball into an offside position and try to obstruct the opposition going for the ball.
• Players must respect the offside lines at the ruck and maul (the hindmost foot of their player in the ruck or maul).
• Arriving players not attempting to clean-out the opposition must demonstrate positive actions to stay on their feet.
• A player who uses correct technique but ends up off his feet after removing a threat is not penalised; this is a positive action and the "hammer or snake" technique is included here.
Assistant Referees at Super Rugby will also be called on to take a more involved approach to the game without becoming an interference or hindrance to the referee. This will involve greater monitoring of offside lines at the ruck and maul and infringements close to the touchline where the referee may be unsighted.
http://www.sareferees.co.za/news/ref_news/2841466.htm
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
That is not what the points actually say. But if it transpires then the scrum contest should be fairer. Currently the hit can disguise scrummaging deficiencies because the referees guess sometimes who started the hit too early and they also guess about who was at fault when a scrum collapses because of the hit. In these ways the dominant scrum can get dudded.
As for the tackle points: it will be good to see if referees actually do penalise players for playing past the ball too much or, oh so accidentally (not), taking up the space of the other team. Let's see it in action first.
PaarlBok
Were these points observed by the referee at the Stormers trial? Did any of the media comment on the SANZAR directives or was it just business as usual in the scrum and elsewhere?
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Jonkers penalised the Stormers endlessly in the Lions warmup and the explanation he got for this.
Stormers site
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spooony
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That what I posted comes from the refs website
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Thats theory, practise is something different specially reffing.
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spooony
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But thats how they are going to apply it. One rather listen to ref than to coach otherwise they would have not been penalized so much for it
Scott Allen
Trevor Allan (34)
If this new interpretation taking away the hit by having the front rows engage first is correct it will big news.
However, the referees statement doesn't say anything about that aspect.
PaarlBok - did the front rows actually engage seperately in the match against the Lions?
However, the referees statement doesn't say anything about that aspect.
PaarlBok - did the front rows actually engage seperately in the match against the Lions?
suckerforred
Chilla Wilson (44)
Theoretical that is how the ref's are going to play the law. Until they start to blow their whistles in a few game we are really not going to know how it is going to pan out. That is how I read PaarlBok's comment. Correct PaarlBok?
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
watch the northern hemisphere outcry if this is how it is to be played
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