2012 S15 All things Referee thread

[PaarlBok]

The quality of refs coming from Aus and NZ is a real worry for me as a Bok supporter. There are a huge gap between them and SA and something Sanzar have to sort out ASAP.

 

[PaarlBok]

An article from Murray 'Im a poet' Mexted on todays referee's
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/03/15/some-referees-care-about-rugby-some-dont/

Pitty when he commentated he was one of the biggest crictics on the refs.

 

[PaarlBok]

http://www.sareferees.co.za/news/ref_news/2858084.htm

Home ground advantage
Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:30


Of course, playing at home helps. You get more support than the visitors and you know the ground much better than they do. You also, it seems, get the bigger share of the penalties.
Below is a summary of penalties per match, those that helped the home team first.
Week One
Blues vs Crusaders (Chris Pollock): 13 + 9 = 22
Brumbies vs Force (Bryce Lawrence): 7 + 10 = 17
Bulls vs Sharks (Jonathan Kaplan): 12+ 11 = 23
Chiefs vs Highlanders (Jonathon White): 13 + 10 = 23
Waratahs vs Reds (Jaco Peyper): 8 + 11 = 19
Stormers vs Hurricanes (Marius Jonker): 18 + 9 = 27
Lions vs Cheetahs (Mark Lawrence): 17 + 10 = 27
Week Two
Chiefs vs Blues (Keith Brown): 12 + 14 = 26
Rebels vs Waratahs (Bryce Lawrence): 13 + 9 = 22
Lions vs Hurricanes (Steve Walsh): 8 + 7 = 15
Highlanders vs Crusaders (Jaco Peyper): 6 + 10 = 16
Reds vs Force (Ian Smith): 11 + 10 = 21
Cheetahs vs Bulls (Craig Joubert): 16 + 6 = 22
Stormers vs Sharks (Mark Lawrence): 15 + 6 = 21
Week Three
Crusaders vs Chiefs (Garrett Williamson): 11 + 11 = 22
Force vs Hurricanes (Jaco Peyper):16 + 6 = 22
Brumbies vs Cheetahs (Keith Brown): 11 + 8 = 19
Highlanders vs Waratahs (Bryce Lawrence): 13 + 9 = 22
Reds vs Rebels (Angus Gardner): 11 + 10 = 21
Sharks vs Lions (Mark Lawrence): 10 + 13 = 23
Bulls vs Blues (Steve Walsh): 18 + 13 = 31
Of the 21 matches, the home team had more penalties on 15 occasions (71%), the away team five times (24%) and on one occasion the penalty count was equal, though the actual figures are not as great as that suggests - 253 to 212.
Of the 465 penalties in the 21 matches, an average of 22 per match, 255 were at the tackle or 54%.
Interestingly the match with most penalties Bulls vs Blues and the match with fewest penalties Lions vs Hurricanes were both refereed by the same referee - Steve Walsh.

 

[suckerforred]

If Bryce makes a 13 -9 split this week we will know he is playing a game that is not rugby.

 

[Garry Owen]

Not in the guidelines but Clerc was on the ground for ages and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) appeared unhurt and got straight up. Clerc was probably milking it, but just something random that could influence the ref on field.

My 2 cents.

Forthe benefit of the players safety, the law should be (more) clearly defined, and (more) consistantly refereed. Referee'ing interpretation is muddiying the waters, and sending confusion to the spectators. Paddy, put down your Chardonnay and do your job.

Whether the tackle is considered dangerous or not, should not be judged on the condition of the tackled player after the incident. If the player has the skill/experience/fortune to brace himself from injury does not change the intent of the tackler. If we do go down that path, we may see more of the soccer antics of the melodrama hapening out after the tackle, being necessary to milk the card or not.

Define a law, as clearly as possible in this situation, make the players, coaches, and spectators well aware of it, and coach our ref's on consitently inplementing it.

 

[Sandpit Fan]

If Bryce makes a 13 -9 split this week we will know he is playing a game that is not rugby.

Even the kiwi commentators are blowing up at Bryce in the Clan/Canes game

 

[yourmatesam]

Even the kiwi commentators are blowing up at Bryce in the Clan/Canes game

At least he only put in half a game tonight!!

 

[teach]

I do hope it is not a career ending injury....

 

[Baldric]

I hope it is nothing trivial.

 

[Dan54]

Even the kiwi commentators are blowing up at Bryce in the Clan/Canes game

It would be hard for any other commentators to blow up, there were only kiwi commentators doing game!!

 

[Dan54]

I hope it is nothing trivial.

lol you saffas still upset at losing to Wallabies in WC??

 

[rugbyisfun]

Anyone hear the Tahs v Force ref tonight ?? " that's your ball blue, that's your ball white" constantly, all game... I hope this isn't a new communication game management technique being pushed because it is shit house

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

I didn't notice it (wasn't paying that much attention), but yes that would be unnecessary communication.

 

[rugbyisfun]

It started to sound like "you're my boy blue" from the movie Old School after a while

 

[Hawko]

I do hope it is not a career ending injury....

I suspect that teach likes to go fishing....
It would be very good for the game if Bryce Lawrence didn't ref again and I'm not a Saffa.

 

[Hawko]

After my rant last week it appears that referees are now clamping down on lifting to the horizontal. I don't for one moment think my post was the cause of that, just that the referees minders obviously thought it needed cracking down on after Bryce's no-show last week. Generally it is being penalised when its lifting to the 90 without cards, which I think is appropriate. If its lifting and spearing then it needs to be red carded and yellow and white if the referee is not sure.

 

[teach]

I love fishing, but in this case I wasn't fishing in the sense that I was looking to start a fight.

If Bryce Lawrence had a career ending injury last night I doubt very much that history will look back and mourn the loss of one of the all time great referees.

Look how the game picked up after he left.

 

[qwerty51]

Let's talk AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)'s no try.

Was it obstruction? Horne made contact with a defender no doubt about it. But let's look at how the defender made contact, he was drawn to tackle Horne, he took the wrong man and made the wrong defensive decision. I believe it wasn't obstruction because Horne didn't simple take a defender out, the defender chose to make contact, slight difference if Horne ran into him.

Thoughts?

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

If refereeing standards are currently as bad as people claim, then every time we lose a top ref we should be mourning.

So here we have B.Lawrence, who is capable of reffing test rugby and has many years left in him, and people are hoping his career ends tomorrow? Is there a better ref from NZRU who is going to take his place? Even if there is that isn't an argument to hope he retires, it's an argument against the selection system, which most people don't have any clue about.

Regardless of your opinion of him, he is clearly in the top 1% of rugby union referees in the world (all test refs are). Anyone with that sort of experience is a big loss to the game. Not to mention his knowledge of the laws is probably second to none.

Bryce Lawrence is kind of like the Matt Dunning in that sense I suppose. A lot of people think he's useless, but there is always a place for him in rugby. Depending on the stocks available he could be playing super rugby, club rugby or sometimes test rugby. People who never wanted him to play at any level ever again were just appealing to their emotions.

 

[Forcefield]

Let's talk AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)'s no try.

Was it obstruction? Horne made contact with a defender no doubt about it. But let's look at how the defender made contact, he was drawn to tackle Horne, he took the wrong man and made the wrong defensive decision. I believe it wasn't obstruction because Horne didn't simple take a defender out, the defender chose to make contact, slight difference if Horne ran into him.

Thoughts?

I think that is a pretty tenuous call. I think regardless of whether Horne was there, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) would have been able to power through Sidey's tackle and across the line, but it was still obstruction. Horne ran into a player who could potentially have tackled the ball carrier. You can talk about making the wrong defensive decision but he wasn't given any choice. It wouldn't have been possible to not tackle Horne and tackle AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) instead. Unfortunate for the Tahs because they deserved to score there, but perhaps it was karma catching up for the Kingston try.