2012 Rugby Championship Round 3 Game 1 Australia vs South Africa - 8 Sep

[Braveheart81]

Particularly if, like Beale and Barnes, you keep trying to do it with your weak foot! I think there was at least two each they tried with their left.

There was one Barnes kicked off his left foot from inside our 22 just as he was being tackled.

The problem was that the Springbok defence rushed up quickly but we continued to spread the ball which only passed pressure from one player to the next. When Barnes received the ball he had no fullback behind him in support and a defender about to tackle him.

I think he decided to kick the ball because the rushing up defence would have probably forced a penalty as we would have been smashed at the ruck if he took the tackle and trying to pass to the person outside him with no time would have been extremely risky (riskier than the terrible kick).

Our backs need to get better at deciding when it is time to take a tackle and recycle possession instead of kicking the ball away or just shifting the pressure to the player outside them.

Most of the other times when we kicked away possession with a poor grubber or chip was when we got the ball a couple of passes wide of the ruck and there was nothing on so we kicked it. These are precisely the time when we have to take the tackle and set the play up for another phase.

 

[emuarse]

Anyone out there know the Zulu translation for 'lower than a snake's arsehole'? Seriously

 

[Scotty]

not my point, I am sure the kicking was talked about as an option but I am also sure it was talk about as the over arching first choice

It just ended up that way to the bewilderment of Deans, and just not from Barnes, Cooper was guilty as well

I know it wasn't your point, but you have appeared to miss mine. All evidence of watching Barnes points to him taking the kicking option first and foremost and at all times when he is under pressure. We also seem to have some evidence that at least some kicking was part of the game plan. Put these two things together and you have to wonder why Deans was surprised/bewildered that our players kicked the ball quite often?!

I believe that he was fully supportive of their kicking in behind the Boks line (it seemed a pretty clear tactic from the kick offs), but his bewilderment came more at the execution of those kicks.

PS I only recall Cooper kicking 3 chip kicks for the game. None of which were within his own half of the field (correct me if I'm wrong). One was an attacking kick meant for Shipperley, which was on but execution was poor. One he regathered himself but knocked on (he should have just kicked to the corners in that case). The other was regathered by Digby and got us in behind the Bok line.

 

[Braveheart81]

There was also the one that Kurtley Beale was taken out on and The Beast was yellow carded.

We were lucky on that one because Beale had no hope of recovering it. I'm pretty sure that was in our own half.

Not sure if there were any more.

 

[PaarlBok]

Good win for the Wallabies. Congrats to them and deserved it.

From a Bok supporters view I much more postive after then before this test. The Bokke played their best test of the year and not that far away to turn it around. As expected Goosen and Lampie played well in ther few minutes. Would like to seem them get more game time at the very least. Goosen have the ability to make the Bok backline play to their potental. We cant afoord this amount of kicking and should play a more total game with ball in hand. Etsebet is Yster and is going to become a Bok legend, Kruger made a huge differense and Vermeulen is still a bit rust but still better then any other SA 8.

All Blacks will be a massive challenge for Meyer and our team but the Pumas showed you have to be switch on against them and play for 80 minutes.

 

[maxdacat]

Small observation:

When Kafe spoke to Deans at half time, I noticed that Deans was genuinely bewildered at the performance of the team. For the first time, he really seemed stunned and shaken up by what he was seeing.

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Errm doesn't he always look like that?

 

[It is what it is]

Seems like we have the Wallabies incompetent kicking game out in the open and being smashed by everyone.
I need some help exposing another facet of the Wallabies play that has reached plague proportions.......the cut-out pass.
The cut-out pass has spread through Australian rugby like a disease.
Time after time players throw cut-out passes when having an overlap in attack, instead of short passes to players running straight and drawing a defender each.
An outside back's best friend in defence is the side line, and a close 2nd is a long looping cut-out pass that shows them where the attack is targeted rather than leaving them in doubt.
As so many of our players can't pass properly to both left and right, the cut-out passes thrown either bounce, land behind the intended recipient or require the recipient to stop or slow down to catch them.
A realistic goal for the Wallabies next match should be no grubbers and no cut-out passes.

 

[daz]

Errm doesn't he always look like that?

Nope. Normally he is very Zen-like and says things like "opportunity" and "application" and "intensity". He also says a lot of stuff that I couldn't find in any dictionary, but that is because "mumblefuck, mumblefuck" noises aren't really words.

At half time, I saw a great big thought bubble coming out of his head. It said something like "what the fuck was that?"

 

[Scotty]

There was also the one that Kurtley Beale was taken out on and The Beast was yellow carded.

We were lucky on that one because Beale had no hope of recovering it. I'm pretty sure that was in our own half.

Not sure if there were any more.

Ah yes, that one was definitely kicked from within our own half.

 

[Braveheart81]

At least they were playing like a team and supporting each other in their headless chicken ways.

 

[Lee Enfield]

Much improved performance, especially the second half. Still work to be done, but heading in the right direction. Our forwards are going to have to step up massively against hte Argies, or we could very easily be embarrassed.
Timani is starting to show some fire in his belly and I am happy to admit, making me eat my words, but would still like to see him offer something at the lineout as a jumper.

I think Harris at 12 is certainly worth a try, he in my opinion, offers more than Barnes, who continues to stifle our attack and far more than McCabe. When O'Connor is ready, I would be inclined to ease him back in at 15, Beale is playing like a mouldy mung bean. I think O'Connor is just as dangerous if not more than Beale in broken play, no worse under the high ball and is more of a threat being used as a ball runner chiming into the backline. Time to bring Taps into the 22 from the bench and say goodbye to A.Fainga'a.

 

[PaarlBok]

Why did they cite Etsebeth? Vokken madness, last time they did the same with Bakkies when he threw a kiss towards Waugh. The commisioner in Aus is a soft lot.

 

[Mank]

Good win for the Wallabies. Congrats to them and deserved it.

From a Bok supporters view I much more postive after then before this test. The Bokke played their best test of the year and not that far away to turn it around. As expected Goosen and Lampie played well in ther few minutes. Would like to seem them get more game time at the very least. Goosen have the ability to make the Bok backline play to their potental. We cant afoord this amount of kicking and should play a more total game with ball in hand. Etsebet is Yster and is going to become a Bok legend, Kruger made a huge differense and Vermeulen is still a bit rust but still better then any other SA 8.

I like your positivity, but boy, I think you're mistaken. We lost what appears to be the only parts of the game the Boks aim for, the collisions and the set piece. We were, again, mugged in the scrums by the Aussies. Let me repeat that, mugged, in the scrum, by the Aussies.

So we lost the collisions and the set pieces, but you're saying the new forwards made a positive difference?

 

[Mank]

Why did they cite Etsebeth? Vokken madness, last time they did the same with Bakkies when he threw a kiss towards Waugh. The commisioner in Aus is a soft lot.

Because he faked a head butt in the modern game, in Australia. Of course he's going to get cited, and probably miss next week. I don't want him to soften up, but hopefully he'll learn a lesson from this.

 

[Groucho]

Because he faked a head butt in the modern game, in Australia. Of course he's going to get cited, and probably miss next week. I don't want him to soften up, but hopefully he'll learn a lesson from this.

In Australia? I guess that must be because the Citing Commissioner is a Kiwi.

 

[PaarlBok]

Because he faked a head butt in the modern game, in Australia. Of course he's going to get cited, and probably miss next week. I don't want him to soften up, but hopefully he'll learn a lesson from this.

Do the names Skattie and Cliffie Etsebet rings a bell? Trust me his Ooms know the art of the head butt and he dont even got close to the real thing. Why would they cite if the youngster only nodds his head to a beer afterwards?

 

[Groucho]

Actually Sluggy,it was dumb but headbutt never connected if it was meant to, I looked at it a couple of times and Sharpe's head didn't move an inch so I doubt if he even saw it to start with.

I've never seen Sharp's head move. He's a log with eyes.

 

[Penguin]

Why did they cite Etsebeth? Vokken madness, last time they did the same with Bakkies when he threw a kiss towards Waugh. The commisioner in Aus is a soft lot.

Disagree Paarl, the intent to headbutt was there & the only things lower is an eye gouge or squirrel grip. This sort of crap has no place in the game & a citing was warranted, not necessarily a suspension, but he needs to know that this sort of action isn't on.

 

[PaarlBok]

I like your positivity, but boy, I think you're mistaken. We lost what appears to be the only parts of the game the Boks aim for, the collisions and the set piece. We were, again, mugged in the scrums by the Aussies. Let me repeat that, mugged, in the scrum, by the Aussies.

So we lost the collisions and the set pieces, but you're saying the new forwards made a positive difference?

At the very least we got more ball from the breakdowns compare to the Puma tests. Our lineouts were better then the Wallaby one. Dunno about the scrums, surely the Wallabies used some strange tactics like usual. We need Flo to start, we need a fetcher, desperately. Brussouw will be back when they return.

 

[PaarlBok]

Disagree Paarl, the intent to headbutt was there & the only things lower is an eye gouge or squirrel grip. This sort of crap has no place in the game & a citing was warranted, not necessarily a suspension, but he needs to know that this sort of action isn't on.

Sorry Boet. If they start cite players making a fist meaning he want to bliksem, where se moer do you think this will end? That kid know to head butt, make no mistake and if he did Sharpe would have been in retirement. He was only Sharpening his Bok horn. Nothing init.