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2012 6 Nations

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the plastic paddy

John Solomon (38)
The Lions tour has got us worried too. If gatland goes along wth Edwards were left in the same situation as GH went- up the creek
Funnily enough Cardiff blue I don't think it will make a massive amount of difference with this Welsh side because one of their great strengths is self discipline as long they don't all get beaten to fuck playing in France that is. Would think that Edwards would be left in charge of Wales when Fatland gets the gig. Don't think they both have to take up the post in september. Out of interest can anyone remember when POC was appointed Captain the last time?
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
As expected in may quaters Dan Lydiate has been voted player of the 6Ns. Well done to him he deserves it for such consistent high level performances. Just hope it doesn't turn out to be a curse for him for the next year like it did for SOB.

Sexton came 2nd with Parisse 3rd.

How the hell did Parisse get 3rd, apart from the Scotland wooden spoon game, Italy including Parisse were terrible in most of their games. He's a great player and I have a lot of respect for him but he was not in the top 10 performers in this 6Ns let alone the top 3. I think sometimes people see Parisse's name and think oh yeah he's a really good player who doesn't get the plaudits he deserve and vote for him on reputation. Thus giving him plaudits he doesn't deserve. Not quite as bad as Weepu being nominated for world player of the year but still not a reflection of his actual performances. He had an average 6Ns by his standards with only flashes of his best.
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Sad news for Irish rugby. Jerry Flannery has annouced his retirement due to a back injury. Yes he was a bit of a dick and got involved in stuff he shouldn't have but he was a hell of a player both for Munster and Ireland.

The gulf in class between Rory Best and the rest of the hookers in Ireland just got a whole lot bigger.
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Tomas O'Leary has moved to London Irish from next season. Good move for him since his mistake in the WC warp ups he's dropped right down the pecking order for Ireand and the ermegence of Murray meant it would be dificult to win back a spot with Ireland with Murray starting ahead of him at Munster.

I just hope that not playing in Ireland doesn't mean he's automatically not considered for selection. While this isn't an official policy it's hard to see why players like Downey get overlooked in favour of D'Arcy and moving back to Munster next year to improve his chances of selection for Ireland.
 
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Cave Dweller

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:) Dont know if any one heard the comments from Dallaglio, He said I'm not taking anything away from Wales But England are the team of the tounament, they progressed further than any other team, NO you came second butty, Arrogant twinkle.
Thats is just typical of them trying to steal some one elses thunder and trying to impress the press and hide the fact from the fans that they are a country who won the WC 8 years ago. Since then they have been fallling apart and are calling losing at home good performances. I do not know about them but the English fans do not spend good money on the home games to see their team as underdogs and losing and would been further if it was not for tackling and tackling and tackling for 80 minutes. They were lucky the welsh team were a bit undisciplined by giving away penalties so easily but on attack they were as predictable as route 1 football.
 

the plastic paddy

John Solomon (38)
Sad news for Irish rugby. Jerry Flannery has annouced his retirement due to a back injury. Yes he was a bit of a dick and got involved in stuff he shouldn't have but he was a hell of a player both for Munster and Ireland.

The gulf in class between Rory Best and the rest of the hookers in Ireland just got a whole lot bigger.
Think that is the one position where we have some depth myself, Cronin has had a good season as has Varley whose darts have improved a lot. Best of all of them and that includes Strauss when he becomes 'available' is Mike Sherry who I think will be Ireland captain in 5 years time if he stays fit. Shame about Fla, a legend!!!
 
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SirCliveWolfe

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First off got to say well done to Wales on the GS, well deserved :)

Few points on the 6ns;

  • Dallaglio's a prick, what was he thinking?
  • Brilliant tournament, most of the games were edge of the seaters
  • WTF happened to France? They were shocking, I think a 'England style' clear out is upcoming for them.
  • Kidney's plan to use the experienced players to get a better seeding for RWC'15 was a good idea, but in hindsight it would have a better idea to blood some youngsters
  • Poor old Scotland, they looked so promising... think I'd have a serious drinking and/or depression problem now if I was a Scot
  • Wales aren't quite as good as I thought, I worried that Wales would run away with it and smash everyone. That said there still pretty awesome
On England;

Got to say I have been very impressed by the way we have played, there is absolutely no doubt that we have a very long way to go, but for the first time in a age our players look like they care that there playing for England and, probably more importantly, each other.

I think that the whole Northerner/League thing we have going on is very positive. Faz and Lancs have brought a very positive attitude of team-work, pride in the jersey and no-nonsense, which as a Northerner myself, makes me very proud. I hope that my own Sale Sharks can become a 'northern super-club' and help progress this.

Our defence is very strong and the scrum is getting better and better (not just based on the Ireland match) and once or twice we actually tried to play with a bit of flair :eek:

While I am no where near thinking that we will win in 2015, I am not a lot more positive about the direction English rugby is going that I was just 8 weeks ago and while Lancs may not be the best coach in the world he has earned his place and should now be given the chance long term.

Lastly I would like to say what a pleasure it is to read these forums, very insightful comments any not nearly as much pom/orc/England bashing as I expected ;)
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
They'll certainly be in the mix and it being in England will be a bonus for them, even if they wont get preference for games being held in Cardiff. However it's hard to look past New Zealand until we see how they cope with the wave of retirements in the next few years.
 

the plastic paddy

John Solomon (38)
First off got to say well done to Wales on the GS, well deserved :)

Few points on the 6ns;

  • Dallaglio's a prick, what was he thinking?
  • Brilliant tournament, most of the games were edge of the seaters
  • WTF happened to France? They were shocking, I think a 'England style' clear out is upcoming for them.
  • Kidney's plan to use the experienced players to get a better seeding for RWC'15 was a good idea, but in hindsight it would have a better idea to blood some youngsters
  • Poor old Scotland, they looked so promising... think I'd have a serious drinking and/or depression problem now if I was a Scot
  • Wales aren't quite as good as I thought, I worried that Wales would run away with it and smash everyone. That said there still pretty awesome
On England;


Got to say I have been very impressed by the way we have played, there is absolutely no doubt that we have a very long way to go, but for the first time in a age our players look like they care that there playing for England and, probably more importantly, each other.

I think that the whole Northerner/League thing we have going on is very positive. Faz and Lancs have brought a very positive attitude of team-work, pride in the jersey and no-nonsense, which as a Northerner myself, makes me very proud. I hope that my own Sale Sharks can become a 'northern super-club' and help progress this.

Our defence is very strong and the scrum is getting better and better (not just based on the Ireland match) and once or twice we actually tried to play with a bit of flair :eek:

While I am no where near thinking that we will win in 2015, I am not a lot more positive about the direction English rugby is going that I was just 8 weeks ago and while Lancs may not be the best coach in the world he has earned his place and should now be given the chance long term.

Lastly I would like to say what a pleasure it is to read these forums, very insightful comments any not nearly as much pom/orc/England bashing as I expected ;)
Bardon's post above is what England need to be looking out for. The media is already getting very over excited.

It is not an excuse but England demolished a scrum without a THP so that performance should be taken with a massive pinch of salt, which you have done Sir Clive to be fair to you. The tour of Saffer land will be very interesting!! I would still think it very likely that the RFU brains trust will bring in Mallett which would undo all the good work of Lancaster over the last 3 months because he is a complete fecking gobshite which is the last thing England need.

Lancaster has done a very good job getting the train back on the rails but the Hartley biting incident and the Tuilagi attempted decapitation near the end of the Ireland game show that England still have a propensity for mindless thuggery which is symptomatic of everything that made the Lurch regime so unappealing to England fans as well as opposition in my experience.

What is going to happen to Callum Clark I don't know, the media blackout seems to be working but that is the worst thing I have ever seen on a rugby field. When the BBC starts showing those pictures it will not be good for English Rugby; anything less than a years ban would be a mistake, the man will be very lucky if he doesn't go to prison!!
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
BOD is in the Leinster team to play the Ospreys tomorrow night. Good to see him back, will be interesting to see how good he is once he has some games under his belt and is back up to speed.
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Looking forward to seeing how Thorn gets on also for Leinster. Some of their players went off the boil during the 6Ns so they need to redicover some form for the resumption of the HEC.
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Saints have suspended Clark in advance of his hearing regarding his actions in the LV Cup final. Hope they throw the book at him. No excuse for what he did.
 

Dai bando

Charlie Fox (21)
What do you think of this Lions team?

Leigh Halfpenny, Tommy Bowe, Brian O’Driscoll, Jamie Roberts, George North, Rhys Priestland, Conor Murray, Alex Corbisiero, Dylan Hartley, Dan Cole, Richie Gray, Paul O’Connell, Dan Lydiate, Sam Warburton (capt), Ben Morgan
http://www.therugbysite.com/blog_posts/175-lions-watch-by-mark-reason

Too many English in the front row, I think Adam Jones is one of the best TH in world rugby, also Gethin Jenkins gives you far more than just scrumaging, they would be My two, Corbisaro has done well but Jones give hime a bit of a seeing too, also not many TH get the better of gethin holds his own in the scrum but, offers so much more around the park.
Conor murry?? Phillips, as for the rest Yeah Karney has played well tho.
 
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Cave Dweller

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Too many English in the front row, I think Adam Jones is one of the best TH in world rugby, also Gethin Jenkins gives you far more than just scrumaging, they would be My two, Corbisaro has done well but Jones give hime a bit of a seeing too, also not many TH get the better of gethin holds his own in the scrum but, offers so much more around the park.
Conor murry?? Phillips, as for the rest Yeah Karney has played well tho.
Yeah. Other controversial point is O Driscoll. He is 33 going on 34 plagued by injuries last couple of years. Do they take him over and keep him in wraps or play him where he might not make it to a test out injured? Surely they need to move on at some stage. Other thing is Tuilagi?
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
I think it's too early to be speculating on how good BOD is going to be now he's back. The main reason he kept getting injured was due to his shoulder that he was carrying for a couple of years. Anyone related to Irish rugby will tell you he was playing with one shoulder the last few years.

Now he's got it sorted it's all about how it's healed and if he can get some form in the next year. He'll be determined to give his all against NZ and to be part of the first Irish team to beat them should Ireland finally break their duck.

Would be interesting to see the progression in terms of who people here would pick for the Lions now; then see the same selection after next years 6Ns and compare those to each other and the eventual test teams that are picked. Would be a lot of changes as form can change a lot in a year.

Only gauranteed thing would be that Plasticpaddy wouldn't pick any Irish as he doesn't like the Lions and understandly as someone who doesn't put any stock in it would rather Irish players not get injured.
 
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