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2011 Player Burn Out Issues

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PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Interesting to see the Aus lot not worried about this. Its been a huge talking point over the decade in SA about this and Prof Tim Noakes warnings about this help Jake White no ends to win the WC in 2007 in my view. S15 may have a lot of benefits to Aus rugby but they surely have to take note what happened in the past.

Sport24
SARU concerns 'nonsense'

Sydney - South African concerns that the expanded Super Rugby tournament will lead to players suffering from exhaustion at this year's World Cup have been laughed off by their Australian counterparts.

Instead Australian officials and coaches argue that player fatigue can be avoided through mature management.

With just over a week before the start of the Super Rugby competition, which involves a 33 percent increase in the number of games, a new conference structure, more local derbies and a fifth Australian team, Springbok coach Peter de Villiers has warned that players could find the new structure too demanding.

Mindful that South African provincial sides that make the finals could be involved in 19 matches between February and July in three different time zones, De Villiers said: ''There is a concern that the players could physically be totally exhausted after the Super Rugby competition. The competition is going to be more intense and therefore more exhausting.''

But when the Australian Super Rugby launch was held at the Sydney Observatory on Tuesday, there was not an oxygen bottle in sight. Instead the Australian contingent argued they wouldn't mind more top-class games.

When told of De Villiers's comments, Australian Rugby Union chief executive John O'Neill said: ''We don't share that concern, and at five minutes to midnight it is a bit late to be raising it. In planning and formating this competition, everyone had an opportunity to voice any concerns. The pros and cons were workshopped pretty thoroughly.''

O'Neill said the increase of matches from 94 to 125 and 20 local derbies compared to six last year would work in Australian Rugby's favour, as their key players needed more high level competition.

''In Australia, you see that the NRL continues on having players playing State of Origin midweek, and backing up for the clubs the next weekend. And [Wallabies coach] Robbie Deans's feeling has been that we haven't been playing enough rugby,'' O'Neill said.

''Robbie is remarkably relaxed about the season schedule. He is more excited about the amount of rugby they will be playing, in preparation for when he gets them [before the World Cup.]''

O'Neill said it should be remembered that after the Super Rugby final on July 9, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa will be involved in an abbreviated Tri Nations series, involving just home and away Tests.

''If fatigue does arise, the size of the provincial squads allow you to rotate players, and that's not a new phenomenon,'' O'Neill said. The ARU will keep an eye on how the provinces use their key players, but ''our approach won't be interventionist'', he said.

Reds coach Ewen McKenzie said he was not concerned about the fatigue factor, because systems were in place to ensure it can be overcome.

''If you play high-quality rugby week in, week out, there is the potential for that to occur. The management of players is critical. You look at the European teams, and they play 10 months of the year. And they manage their players through that,'' McKenzie said.

The Super Rugby starts on February 18 when the Waratahs play the Rebels at Melbourne's AAMI Park, with O'Neill confident of a healthy Australian representation in the six-team finals series.
NZ have it easy with their central contracting method the have. SA dont have this and the coach have to rely on his franchises coaches to help him out but no way when it come to do or die situations they'll leave out top players.

Would like to know the Aussies view on this.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
I am looking at the comments from the article: Heneken Cup aint super 15 rugby Mr McKenzie. Also know first hand the French teams have two squads playing T14 and Heineken Cup practise apart and no burn out problems compare to SH rugby. Dunno much from NRL , suppose its more of a physical nature game to rugby union, also know Australia dont have close the player depth SA or NZ have. This may kill your lot comes WC time.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
This is simply a continuation of Australians gettign a boner over more derbies and SA hating the idea.

Trust me, the SA coaches have moved on and are preparing for player management as much as the Kiwis and Aussies. P Divvy needed something to get his name in the papers and Jon O'Neill grabs any opportunity to be a self righteous so nothing new there.

Liquor box - everybody has to play accross those zones so what is your point?

It is what it is and as I said before you don't have to like it , nor can you expect everyone else to like it.

I don't like the format but will I watch just about every one of the 18,989,564 games? You bet.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
I don't see "burn out" as an issue at.

The real issue will be what it always has been - injuries.

I remain more concerned that we see all the stars for the Tier 2 countries and Pacific Islands especially and not have them encouraged and bribed to pass up the RWC in favour of continuing to feed their families.

As you say Paarl Oz is in the most precarious position of the 3N partners in terms of depth and I honestly think that Oz Rugby has never been stronger in those terms. As always though and it is the same for the ABs and Boks if you lose the best player in a position it tends to be a fair old step down to next best. Here I am thinking for instance McCaw & Carter for the ABs, Matfield for the Bok and players like TPN/Moore, Genia & Pocock for the Wobs. That is why I say it isn't burn out thats the big issue but injury to those who are very difficult to replace or cover.
 

Bowside

Peter Johnson (47)
I don't see "burn out" as an issue at.

The real issue will be what it always has been - injuries.

I remain more concerned that we see all the stars for the Tier 2 countries and Pacific Islands especially and not have them encouraged and bribed to pass up the RWC in favour of continuing to feed their families.

As you say Paarl Oz is in the most precarious position of the 3N partners in terms of depth and I honestly think that Oz Rugby has never been stronger in those terms. As always though and it is the same for the ABs and Boks if you lose the best player in a position it tends to be a fair old step down to next best. Here I am thinking for instance McCaw & Carter for the ABs, Matfield for the Bok and players like TPN/Moore, Genia & Pocock for the Wobs. That is why I say it isn't burn out thats the big issue but injury to those who are very difficult to replace or cover.

Also need to consider when you lose players of the calibre you mention it can force a team to change their game plan significantly. Australia play a different game with a barnes/burgess halves combo as opposed to a cooper/genia combo. Likewise if the bokke lost Matfield and Botha they might not kick it out as much as their line out is weaker.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
It was tongue in cheek comment at the South Africans, I dont see it being an issue
From a SA perspective I know for a fact and last weekend the Stormers vs Sharks warmup confirmed it, our derbies are always brutal. More of this aint for our good plus we have more tour games then Aus or NZ meaning longer for home. Less then previous but still. Anyway have to accept this and move on but I think you lot have something to worry about.

Gnostic you should have use FdP as example, Bekker will pass Matfield this year.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
From a SA perspective I know for a fact and last weekend the Stormers vs Sharks warmup confirmed it, our derbies are always brutal. More of this aint for our good plus we have more tour games then Aus or NZ meaning longer for home. Less then previous but still. Anyway have to accept this and move on but I think you lot have something to worry about.

Gnostic you should have use FdP as example, Bekker will pass Matfield this year.

Paarl I bow to your superior knowledge of the Bok players but you know what I mean by my post.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
It was tongue in cheek comment at the South Africans, I dont see it being an issue

Ok, well maybe it is a bit of an issue?

I see most SA teams play four games over this side and the Aussie sides only two over in SA (Tahs anyway haven't looked at the rest).

However, once our players stopped gnawing and gnashing about the travel our teams started winning games so I think it's starting to become a non issue and the players are getting used to it.

(Having said that I returned from Europe a week ago and for six days I felt like absolute shit and I have tried everything to combat jetlag but nothing works for me. The thought of playing rugby a few days after arriving just seems stupid).
 

disco

Chilla Wilson (44)
It's funny because the excuses used by both Aussies & Kiwis was that they players had not seen enough trench warfare in 2007 & that's why France & England knocked us out of the world cup because they were used to the tough stuff.

It's still not a very long season in comparison to the North.
 

Bullrush

Geoff Shaw (53)
It's funny because the excuses used by both Aussies & Kiwis was that they players had not seen enough trench warfare in 2007 & that's why France & England knocked us out of the world cup because they were used to the tough stuff.

It's still not a very long season in comparison to the North.

Not true. There was a little bit of talk about not having tough Pool games in 2007 but most of the blame for the loss went either to Henry & Co. for their rotation policy and not letting combinations develop or to Wayne Barnes.

While the Super season itself may not be long, for an AB the rugby season is almost the full year. Pre-season for Super rugby starts in Jan-Feb, then you have the Tri-Nations, then the ITM Cup and then the EOYT which ends in Nov.

That's why a lot of ABs don't start the Super season with the rest of the team or don't play a lot of ITM Cup even when they are home.

Aussie don't mind the extra home derbies so much because they don't have any Currie Cup or ITM Cup equivalent.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Rugby players will simply be sent out to play rugby. We are better off getting our players as much game time as possible. I have concerns about burnout over this stupid idea to do an EOYT to raise money. Until the RWC as much rugby as possible please.

I think a big difference Paarl is that our side is young and the experience will help but I understand South Africa's view as the key parts of your squad are comming towards the end of their careers and they want to rest tired bodies.
 
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