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2010 All Blecks - a but shut?

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Moses

Simon Poidevin (60)
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I was thinking the other day, perhaps the Kiwi's have gone a bit shit! The only kiwi team likely to be in s14 finals contention is the 'Saders (though I haven't run the numbers, the 'Canes mathematical chance would require a lot to go right.).

Richie's playing out of position, they're best backup is in Queensland, Dan's out of form, and they just lost to the bloody Force! With two tough games coming up in the republic there's a pretty real chance there will be no Kiwi's in the finals!

Add to that the number of players chasing Euro's, despite the NZRU offering to set them up with cattle ranches, and it's not looking good for the men in black.s

Are they trying to be shit between world cups, for a change... lowering expectations?
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Re: 2010 All Blecks - a bit shit?

Yes, enjoying the shittage.

On another front, did anyone else spot that they're going tuts up?

From SkyNews http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12336_6108350,00.html

...Bad news for Kiwis also came though with news of a record loss of 15.9 million NZ Dollars for 2009 being announced during the NZRU's Annual General Meeting in Wellington.

Tew admitted the result was disappointing after the NZRU posted a modest profit of 366,000 New Zealand dollars in 2008.

Losses

"Of the loss, NZ Dollars 9.5 million is on our operating budget, mainly from a shortfall of income on All Blacks Test matches at home and abroad, reduced interest income and increased expenditure on medical support and players due to a higher than normal number of injuries."

The remaining NZ Dollars 6.4 million related to losses incurred for next year's Rugby World Cup.

"In relation to RWC 2011, we have accounted for our one-third share of the operating losses incurred by Rugby New Zealand 2011 Limited which have increased as expected as the tournament nears and some unrealised foreign exchange losses that will be recovered in future periods based on the specific arrangements we have in place," Tew added.

"While we are fortunate that our financial position is very strong the game cannot continue to spend more than it earns and this result, on top of some very worrying provincial union results, sends a very clear message.

"Consequently we have made revenue growth and cost management a priority for 2010."

Such business acumen
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Re: 2010 All Blecks - a bit shit?

I have notice this a few eeks back already
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/forum/index.php/topic,10233.0.html

Not the results as such but the Kiwi teams seems to lost against the SA gameplan from last year.

Seem they havent resolve the up and unders, the rolling maul and good defensive pattern. The Stormers need one win to complete a Kiwi Slam if they beat the Crusaders.

But lets not forget that this is S14 rugby and not test rugby. If their teams dont make the semis it will give the Cartell extra weeks to prepare their squad and I am a bit worried we have to start in NZ.

Never heard of a bad All Black team all my life and surely that wont change this year.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Re: 2010 All Blecks - a bit shit?

PaarlBok said:
Never heard of a bad All Black team all my life and surely that wont change this year.

You type well for someone born after 1998.
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Re: 2010 All Blecks - a bit shit?

If the All Black's weren't bad last year, they won't be bad this year.

Their provinces aren't going too well, but they don't need to be. They need to squeeze 35ish quality players out of the provinces, they don't need 150 players.

Once they pick their best squad they will preform. That's just the AB culture. Whether they win the 3Ns or not is certainly questionable but they will win their home games and destroy every non-3N team in their path.
 
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zombi

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Re: 2010 All Blecks - a bit shit?

Super Rugby ? test match Rugby.

Though saying that it wil depend on how retarded Henry & co are this year.

We've lost T. Waldrom, because I assume he slept with Henry's wife or something. He kept picking Rokocoko when he was so out of form, and refused to put Jane on. And there is a chance he'll put Mills on the park instead of Jane this year aswell. Then we get into Nonu and trying to build the backline around him.

If they actually pick a team on form (McCaw being the exception obviously, even though he's horrible at the moment he's still the captain) then we will win teh 3N. If he picks his favourites again we'll probably come last.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Re: 2010 All Blecks - a bit shit?

Shouldn't the title be "2010 All Blecks - a but shut?"
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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No one else thinks losing $10m a year is pretty outstanding? Surely a poorly managed RWC and they're fucacta.
 
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Jury

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Gagger said:
No one else thinks losing $10m a year is pretty outstanding? Surely a poorly managed RWC and they're fucacta.

6.4 million of the loss is to do with the RWC so I don't think it's as bad as it looks on paper. I agree though, a poorly managed RWC will be bad for NZ and not just the NZRU. Our previous government underwrote it and all the Govt and local governments have done is fight about who's going to pay for it. It's frustrating in the extreme. That's what you get with Govts who follow neo-liberal policies: no-one wants to pay for infrastructure.

I am not a fan of the NZRU at the moment. Haven't been for some time, but their decision to can the Maori All Blacks last year and not release them as an organisation to other groups reminded me of all the times the NZRFU (in those days) invited or toured Apartheid South Africa and wouldn't let Maori, Island or those of a dark persuasion play ...

As Lee would say, I digress.

Our S14s haven't been that much chop this year and I've been disappointed with the Blues for years now. All the talent on the park and no tactics to win. Blues should make the semi finals on talent nearly every year, but have fallen short for nigh on a decade.

As for the All Blacks, we'll be competitive. After pretty much ruling the Tri N for ages, from my point of view, it's healthy to have competition in the Tri-N. I've actually found it a bore fest for ages and looked more forward to the end of year tours. Last year gave me interest because South Africa were dominant and it really was a matter of the ABs not going through the motions and having to do some work. As history of the Tri Ns tells us, I think we'll be first or second.

I agree with VSCA there have been some strange decisions re: selections and I can only think coaches and selectors have their favourites and stick with them through thick and thin. Cory Jane should have been starting on form all last year with Joe Rock on the bench. Nonu has improved out of sight, but I won't remember him as a classic or brilliant centre in the mould of others that have worn that jersey. The only position I ever would have played Nonu is as a blind side winger. In saying that, however, Henry and Co didn't have a lot of choice last year with an injured Kahui and Smith on the sidelines.

I'm a fan of Henry's and support his reappointment but I don't like all the politics. I don't like the debut of players on promise etc. I like it on form.

I wouldn't worry about McCaw. Come Tri-Ns he will be fine. As they say form is temporary, class is permanent.
 

Moses

Simon Poidevin (60)
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Gagger said:
No one else thinks losing $10m a year is pretty outstanding? Surely a poorly managed RWC and they're fucacta.
Looks more like NZ$15.9 mil to me... but NZD are a joke anyway.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Of the $15.9m, $6.4m is due to the RWC, and $9.5 has been pissed away, blamed on injuries and 'lack of interest' (which I don't get, wasn't every international sold out?)

Looks to me like they've got a bunch of drunken sailors managing the purse strings hoping a RWC bonanza will put it all right. It probably should, but is no guarantee.
 

Moses

Simon Poidevin (60)
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With the renovations going on a "sell out" could be half the ground's capacity.. and they've been writing off money due to foreign currency movement for years, thought they'd have hedged it by now...
 
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Jury

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Gagger said:
Of the $15.9m, $6.4m is due to the RWC, and $9.5 has been pissed away, blamed on injuries and 'lack of interest' (which I don't get, wasn't every international sold out?)

Looks to me like they've got a bunch of drunken sailors managing the purse strings hoping a RWC bonanza will put it all right. It probably should, but is no guarantee.

Nope. Not all internationals were sold out. I know the one in ChCh had a pretty crap crowd, but ticket sales aren't really where the NZRU (or anyone else) make their money these days. It's the TV rights and sponsorship. I don't think the NZRU are hoping the RWC bonanza will put it right because most RWCs end up costing the hosts money.

Far from defending them, I don't think they've got drunken sailors managing the purse strings. Drunken sailors would at least have some life in them and every now and then come up with some kind of genial idea. You couldn't get a bunch of more dour blokes in your life than those at the NZRU.

There will be some kind of investigation probably, someone will stand down and most of them will get slapped on the hands with wet bus tickets. I'm surprised this has happened under Chris Moller. He is a pit bull, but this maybe some indication his star is waning and the old boy networks have ganged up on him. I'd like to see the books, but I probably never will. They're pretty closed and it will be all secret squirrel with salacious offerings to the media about the whole thing.
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
I believe the NZRU are hedged to FX. This is from the top of my memory, though (like this whole post, so if anyone knows better please correct me). Plus, their television contracts are written in USD, aren't they? So a weaker NZD is helpful, actually, but overall they are hedge to FX flucuations.

The NZRU has something like NZ$50M of reserves, which is probably a lot more than the ARU, but obviously if they keep running NZ$10M losses they are going to go up the creek pretty quickly.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Honestly feel they have a big problem on the financial front. Their wisemen havent woke up and do something about the NPC format. Maybe if they play more a strength vs strength like we have in our CC they'll get more supporters in the grounds but then I am not a expert of their game. They should also have a rethink about central contracting and maybe look at the SA provincial model. This may give their S14 franchise more a local feel to it and getting more support at their matches. Think they should bring back afternoon tests and match in NZ specially during winter months.

This new S15 format is going to kill their and SA rugby in the future.

Making a WC loss , simply sound stupid to me. :nta: Maybe we put a spell on them after backing them to get this WC and then they drop us like they did in the Poofball WC to give a stupid rugby country like Japan this tournament.

If they cant do hedging, vokket what are they doing over there. ::)
 
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