1981 Springbok tour to NZ - 30 years old

[Inside Shoulder]

Not as nearly as intense as the 1981 NZ tour. Myself thought you had demonstrations about the Wallabies winning record against us in 1971. Cant think of any Bok staying doing the chicken run back in 1971. Name and shame them!

Shame them? Praise them. There's a difference of 10 years during which the world became a much more politically active place. rugby was NZs #1 sport played by all. Rugby here was the preserve of private school boys.
I dont know whether you intend it but the tone of this thread is disconcerting.

 

[Blue]

Did the 1971 team have a sense of humour - is that the difference?

WTF?

This thread is just getting more and more weird.

 

[grinner]

Remebering '81

Strange days in peaceful little NZ. Interesting reading your article about the tour. Remember the huge fights within our house between family members on wheather to support rugby or boycott South Africa. Then on the streets it was crazy. The only way I could go to one of the provincial games was if i could find a motorbike helmet according to my parents.
There is a couple of clips on youtube showing the flourbomb test.

 

[whatty]

Important as it was and more of a turning point in SA politics and understanding that most would understand this is not a subject I talk about during a celebration of Rugby.

Anyway PB I see myself more a a pigeon than a chicken the amount of countries I have lived in.

 

[PaarlBok]

Anyway PB I see myself more a a pigeon than a chicken the amount of countries I have lived in.

Nee Boet I am the one that talks pigeon english on this forum!

 

[Ruggo]

I dont have any problem with the chicken runners. Thats their option and a pretty good one to. Myself are born here and will die here. One week in the UK was more then enough to make up my own mind. Problem with the qouta system is that we are now 19 years down the line and it look more intense then ever. Try and tell a 19 year old he have to pay for the sins of the lost generation is a bit of a nightmare. Trust me, it change them into bigger racist the lost generation could ever dream of.

Good luck with that Paarl. Some people in this world just fail to accept that racism works in both directions. Your point about the 19 year old is very valid. Personally I find it must be very degrading to quota players who have earned there spots on the merrits of their work.

 

[PaarlBok]

Good luck with that Paarl. Some people in this world just fail to accept that racism works in both directions. Your point about the 19 year old is very valid. Personally I find it must be very degrading to quota players who have earned there spots on the merrits of their work.

Sure it does. Its a lose lose situation to be honest. At some time this have to stop.

Interesting one from NZ at the current WC all over thye SA press:
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyWorldCup2011/SA-journo-detained-in-NZ-20110926

SA journo detained in NZ
2011-09-26 09:28

Vata Ngobeni (File)

Taupo - South African rugby journalist Vata Ngobeni was detained during the early hours of Monday morning when Taupo police removed him from a local pub suspecting he was a drug dealer.

Ngobeni, an employee of Pretoria News and rugby analyst for the South African Broadcasting Corporation (SABC), was the only black person in the pub at the time, said a Sapa journalist travelling with him.

Ngobeni was taken to a police station and searched. He had to remove items of clothing.

"I have never been so embarrassed in my life," said Ngobeni who was released shortly after he was searched.

"I have never experienced this kind of treatment in all my travels around the world, so to be singled out as a common criminal in front of so many people is something I will never forget."

When police approached him, Ngobeni tried to explain that he was a journalist on tour covering the Springboks - in New Zealand for the Rugby World Cup - for television, radio and his newspaper.

An officer responded by saying that Ngobeni fitted the profile of a drug dealer. They had to conduct a search at a local police station.

Police officers on the scene said they were following what they called standard procedure.

Taupo residents who witnessed the scene expressed sympathy for Ngobeni.

"...There are some idiots in the pig factory (police station) in this town," said an elderly man.

Another commented "you will find that the police pick up all the ... old cars with black drivers."

Ngobeni later received an apology from police, but said: "I won’t be visiting Taupo again, that is for sure."

Ngobeni said he had never before seen the inside of a police station - never mind being asked to get into a police vehicle in front of a crowd of people.

Where are the 1981 betogers when you need them?

 

[Braveheart81]

Wow. That is an absolute shocker.

That's certainly going to add plenty of fuel to the fire of the current criticisms of the treatment received by visitors at the RWC.

 

[Jnor]

They were probably All Black supporters dressed up as cops...

 

[Top Bloke]

Not good at all - Local cops over-reacting and not thinking of the potential fall out of their actions. According to some reports here there was a phone complaint from a patron in the bar directly to the police who claimed a "black" person was dealing pills in the bar's toilets. Seems like the cops didnt do much to establish the veracity of the complaint.

 

[antipodean]

Wow. That is an absolute shocker.

The only shocking element is a black reporter from South Africa has decided to play the race card and smear an entire town because the police did their job and he was inconvenienced for a little while.

Not good at all - Local cops over-reacting and not thinking of the potential fall out of their actions. According to some reports here there was a phone complaint from a patron in the bar directly to the police who claimed a "black" person was dealing pills in the bar's toilets. Seems like the cops didnt do much to establish the veracity of the complaint.

How would you establish the veracity? Ask the suspected drug dealer if he was dealing drugs?

 

[Braveheart81]

How were the police doing their job arresting an innocent man and taking him back to the police station to be searched?

They could have avoided the embarrassment by confirming his identity before arresting him.

Last time I checked, 'fitting the profile' of an alleged criminal is not grounds for arrest.

 

[antipodean]

How were the police doing their job arresting an innocent man and taking him back to the police station to be searched?

They could have avoided the embarrassment by confirming his identity before arresting him.

His identity doesn't mean he didn't offer someone some narcotics. Given the complaint and that he matched the description, they have reasonable grounds to conduct a search. They didn't find any narcotics and let him go. What's the problem?

 

[Braveheart81]

What complaint? There is no mention of any complaint in the article.

Seems like a gross breach of his civil liberties to me.

The only reason whatsoever given that he was arrested was that he 'fitted the profile' of a drug dealer.

 

[antipodean]

What complaint? There is no mention of any complaint in the article.

Seems like a gross breach of his civil liberties to me.

The only reason whatsoever given that he was arrested was that he 'fitted the profile' of a drug dealer.

There are other articles, including the one he wrote.

Inspector Scott Fraser of Rotorua Police said he was satisfied the situation was dealt with "appropriately and professionally".

"Police entered the bar and located a male who fitted the description given by a member of the public. He accompanied police back to the Taupo station where he was searched under Section 18 of the Misuse of Drugs Act," Fraser said.

"He was not arrested, no drugs were found and he was immediately released."
- Source

The chief rugby writer for the Pretoria News said a police officer approached him and told him that he matched the description of a man who had offered a patron narcotics.

[...]

He was released shortly after being searched and the officer apologised for the mistaken identity. No arrest was made.

The officer told Ngobeni he had chosen to spare him the embarrassment of searching him in public, but Ngobeni said he has never been so embarrassed in his life.

"I'm not saying that the officers were not within their rights to approach me, but there is a clear distinction between myself in a black trench coat, striped jersey, blue jeans and white sneakers to the only other black guy I saw who was wearing spectacles."
- Source

 

[whatty]

antipodean its all obviously all a beat up according to you, this and the reports some Kiwi's are misbehaving everything is just peachy and perfect in kiwiland!!

 

[antipodean]

antipodean its all obviously all a beat up according to you, this and the reports some Kiwi's are misbehaving everything is just peachy and perfect in kiwiland!!

Sure whatty, if you can't respond to the actual issue, why not just misrepresent what the other person has said.

 

[Athilnaur]

Normal police procedure I'd think. I would imagine they were of the view they had reasonable grounds to suspect he was a trafficker and had drugs concealed on his person. Doubt race had anything to do with it other than the tip off. They received information, acted upon it, found there was nothing to substantiate the claim, let him go about his business. The end.

 

[whatty]

So all it takes to get someone detained and searched in NZ is to tell a policeman they offered you drugs? Where do you live antipodean.

 

[Bullrush]

If the police had been told that there was a white guy trying to sell drugs and they still detained and searched this guy - then I'd have serious issues with it being about race.