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  1. Omar Comin'

    Force 2018

    Yeah I know we agree on most points. But the way I view the affordability point is that it's just a fact of history. Because the ARU did survive with 5 teams in the previous deal. The Lions tour is a fixed event so the windfalls from it are predictable. In a way we have to think of the ARU as...
  2. Omar Comin'

    Force 2018

    In the professional era the ARU have always relied on on infrequent large windfalls (the Lions tours being the main stay). This new deal put them on a sound financial footing to support 5 teams, it's their (and SANZAAR's) own mismanagement that has changed this. And abandoning an entire region...
  3. Omar Comin'

    Force 2018

    Yet they could afford it for 5 years under a significantly lower broadcast deal?
  4. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    4700 people pledged to buy $8 million or so in shares. That would include many people pledging to buy multiple shares (in the prospectus it says that shareholders of 20 or more A Class Shares are entitled to two free season tickets for five years, so there may even be some people who've pledged...
  5. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    It is so frustrating to continually hear or read this argument. It is irrelevant whether Australia has the depth for 5 teams or not, because rugby has an international player pool. If 10-20% of our players aren't good enough for Super Rugby, then there's a pretty obvious way of removing those...
  6. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Perhaps the OwnTheForce initiative is one worth pursuing by some, if not all, of the other teams? Especially if there's some other Twiggy Forrest's out there. Seems to me a good way of providing a big injection of funds into the grassroots and at the same time shoring up the financial strength...
  7. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    It'd only lessen opportunities for Aussies who aren't good enough to be high level Super Rugby players. Guys who are currently being signed because teams can't sign better talent from NZ or elsewhere. You're saying the negative of this could be that NZ teams will keep flogging Australian...
  8. Omar Comin'

    Australian Rugby / RA

    Happens with Australian players too. It's just a reality that players will move around in a professional sport. But you always get players who remain loyal to one club for a long time as well, whether they be locals or not. For instance someone could move here to play in their early or mid 20's...
  9. Omar Comin'

    Australian Rugby / RA

    Pacific Islanders are the most obvious and beyond a certain level I think you're right. But I'm referring more to guys who would be worth $70-100k, the types who maybe aren't going to be offered Top 14 contracts but if they were Australian or English they'd have professional opportunities. Look...
  10. Omar Comin'

    Australian Rugby / RA

    That'd be great, but Australian players are expensive compared to players from the pacific islands or South Africa or developing tier 2 nations (top players in the Americas, Eastern Europe, Africa etc who struggle for professional opportunities) - for many earning say $80-100k Australian dollars...
  11. Omar Comin'

    Australian Rugby / RA

    These are separate arguments, I was responding solely to the argument that we don't have enough players for 5 quality teams. But I'm not sure being competitive will necessarily save super rugby in this country. It hasn't really helped the Brumbies for example, their crowds have been poor for...
  12. Omar Comin'

    Australian Rugby / RA

    This is actually the worst argument IMO for cutting a team. Rugby has the advantage of a global player pool, so if there's not enough quality players in Australia for 5 Super Rugby teams the best solution (i.e. the one that doesn't basically kill the game in an entire state) would be to allow...
  13. Omar Comin'

    Australian Rugby / RA

    Yeah I agree, I think it's a terrible decision and I still hope the Force's legal claim to remain holds and the ARU is forced to keep 5. But the fact the unions and franchises that aren't at risk are in favour of cutting a team isn't surprising. My view is that Super Rugby is unlikely to...
  14. Omar Comin'

    Australian Rugby / RA

    Of course individual franchises and unions (that aren't on the chopping block) will prefer to have 4 teams when it means more money and resources for them. All that tells you is that it's in their best interest. Whether that's worth all but killing the sport in another state is not their concern.
  15. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Why would anyone want to contract with rugby in Australia after they demonstrate that agreements with the ARU are meaningless? Imagine the ARU/SANZAAR can cut the Rebels without having to buy them out. The chances of attracting future private investment in Super Rugby now plummets. If they...
  16. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    So if you're right about this is there any punishment for entering into an agreement they had no right to enter into? Even if there isn't any legal punishment the damage to their reputation would be huge. You'd have to be crazy to sign an agreement with the ARU after that.
  17. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Yeah that's basically the argument. If it turns out the ARU have no legal right to cut a team next year, then doesn't that also mean SANZAAR have no legal right to cut an Australian team? If none of the teams are willing to merge then what option does SANZAAR have? Surely the ARU would...
  18. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I don't know. It seems to me that an agreement with the ARU about a SANZAAR competition is basically an agreement with SANZAAR by extension, because SANZAAR can't do anything without ARU support. How do you get around that?
  19. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    But these teams have agreements with the ARU regarding a SANZAAR competition. Either these agreements extend to SANZAAR as a whole by default or the ARU have acted improperly in signing them? The whole reason I say the ARU and SANZAAR are effectively the same thing is because of the right of...
  20. Omar Comin'

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    But you're talking like SANZAAR and the ARU are actually separate things when they're not.
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