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One last attempt Players in bold that were marquee in the sense that they would attract other players. 2010 Contracted players Ben Alexander Adam Ashley-Cooper Mitchell Chapman Mark Chisholm Huia Edmonds Rocky Elsom Francis Fainifo Matt Giteau Ben Hand Justin Harrison Stephen Hoiles Peter...

I do - Elsom, Giteau, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Benny A, George Smith, Mortlock - the list goes on It officially fell to shit when these guys cleared out, until Jake turned up

Marquee players had a lot to do with it, no?

It wont fix it alone, and I suspect it will have a lesser impact than most fear. But it, together with a few modding changes should have a bit of of an impact. Generally people picking up their game would have the biggest.

If you want to effect real change at an international level, you HAVE to be the manager. Look at what MacQueen did, look at what Woodward did, look at what Ted has done with his team. Now look at what Deans has done. I actually don't think this is a "style" discussion, but actually a right...

That's a really good point Dumbledore. There are many different places to occupy in this rugby community landscape - PR, The Colo, Sportal, Us, The Roar and others I think it's outmoded to see them as just all forums. They're communities that run in different ways, to different rules and...

Fuck me, PR not liking it - that's probably the best recommendation it could get. Just above 4chan and reddit.

By the way guys, we are listening to what you say and won't be pigheaded about things - but we do want to see change. Please have a crack at it and see what we can make work

Well, there were about 3 different "I hate JON" threads going at the time - but in a future paradise where we didn't have all of those, I would still have been able to start such a thread, as I did.

Hooray - let's just hope the sky doesn't fall in on us first!

Like Cyclo says - let's try it, and see what happens. No-one's going to be bloody minded about it, and no doubt we'll need to tweak it one way or the other. The thoughts you're all expressing are the that we've discussed. We won't know how it all plays out until try it. But hey, let's just...

Yep, and he embodied their clickbait policy as I explained above, which is counter to what we'd like to achieve. It's really interesting that you're struggling with this Schadenfreude

This is exactly why we're doing it! We believe flaming and low quality posting might get you a few views in the short term, only high quality content will win longer term for our audience. It's not just about quality over quantity.

First, you'll need to read the article that I link to below. WARNING - Do not have any liquids in your mouth whilst reading it - I almost buggered my new laptop The core tenet of the article is that Robbie Deans is in fact a choice coach because ignoring your assistant coaches isn't a bad...

Excellent stuff, I'm excited where this might take us. This forum has never been "say whatever you want" - which is why it's not a cesspool. If you want to see what that sort of policy can lead to, read this http://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-the-biggest-troll-on-the-web

You're now just wasting more of it

You've become a total timewaster in this thread WJ - we've boned users for that before. Lift your game

So waratahjesus - enough evidence for you?

Pot, kettle.

You naysayers hang your heads in shame! Vote 1 (like) for Grumbles!