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You mean winning a 38-round competition at the top of a promotion-relegation pyramid involving thousands of clubs, in a league that is ranked second in Europe, where Champions League winners still haven't been able to win the league (in the same season)? Contrasted to a five-team rugby comp.

And turn the Au comp into a consolation prize before the hard stuff?

Or you could look at it the other way (again), and see that 99 and 03 were during the super 12 era, and 2007 was an outlier (we came third in 2011). The rot started when we mucked around with the structure of super rugby, while our development pathways narrowed substantially.

Except there's either a 'champions league' with NZ teams which is tantamount to a finals series, or are we dropping the NZ matches ad trying to go it alone with 5 teams?

1999 RWC win and 2003 and 2015 finals would suggest 'yes'.

Wow. That gif essay. Looks like I'm back to death-riding NSW this week!

Australian pool tournament, New Zealand pool tournament, mediocre Australian team/s getting into 'champions league' final/s with better New Zealand team/s missing out (or maybe one day vice-versa). Sounds a lot like the painful Super Rugby tournaments that lead to the pre-COVID disaster. Just keep it...

So what everyone here is proposing is close to the same flawed, compromised, 'everyone gets a prize' model that brought us into this whole mess.

You've been tearing down the TT tournament on multiple threads, banging on about how uncompetitive it is. And yet 40% of the teans in the SRAu tournament, the one that you've been favouring, were dreadfully uncompetitive. That is not a tangential argument, it goes to the very heart of your...

Right, and how many matches were the Watarahs or Rebels competitive in during SRAu this season?

The where-to crew are leaking into other threads, presumably because nobody's listening. Why anyone would ignore 1000 pages of the same three people chasing mediocrity like el Dorado is beyond me.

You mean the same crowd who would rather watch the same five teams play one another in a nine week comp? I'm amazed they haven't filled this thread with THey ShOUld StoP TeH Tt NExT WEEk

That should be red. Professional foul. I've gone all Shiggins.

Cheese.

That's what we need- outside backs who can beat defenders

LOL and they've penalised the Brumbies tight head for angling

Oh the penalty was toilet. No point comparing to last night though.

Match of the round so far. Except for that. Still plenty of time horseys!

God I fucken hate overuse of the up-and-under. It's the preserve of the back with no options (see Barnes, B). The penalty for use to get a team out of gaol when they're two tries behind should be cutting the oranges next week.

Woo fingerpainting night!