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If only it were that simple we would not need to have this discussion.

Can't see how that would work. Super rugby is contested by franchises. The Currie Cup and ITM cup are inter-provincial comps where those teams feed the Super franchises. In your model. The commercial complexity of abolishing Super franchises and having provinces compete in the Super tournament...

They did take a stance. A pretty extreme one. NZ sided with Australia and that was that.

What was fixed? Therein lies the problem...

I was sort of fence sitting when the haggling was going on. Partly because we didn't really understand what the schedule would look like and I could see the value for rugby here in Aus (and I have a very definite vested interest in rugby being succesful here in Aus because I live here). Now...

I will PERSONALLY contribute to his severance package.

Lance: I can't see SA ever go the NH route because a) the complexity of fitting them in and b) as you say the 3N teams need each other to keep strong. Unfortunately SA still negotiates like the toddler throwing its toys all the time but for now it seems as if the other two tolerate it. I have...

Bob sums it up well. http://www.supersport.com/rugby/blogs/bob-skinstad/Not_so_Super_15

The way I see it is he relaised he is running over a Bok player and he stomped down extra hard. It equates to taking a piss when holding four beers. Or something like that. :)

Paarl what sort of contracts do they get? Just saw the Bulls Cheetahs game now. Bloody great rugby. Ball in hand. Ferocious defense. Is PdV watching? The Currie Cup teams are showing the way we should be playing. PS How good is Francois Hougaard!?

No not really. Support for the smaller Unions is very much a local thing and most of them are hundreds of miles away from large cities where they don't enjoy support anyway. It is important for SA development that rugby is kept in the communities. Like Paarl says, it starts at age group level...

You miss the point. In SA and NZ, there's enough opportunity to see players playing each other already. The issue is that the S15 is cast in stone. NZ and SA will have to scale down their local comps to fit into the calendar. Remember they don't just have the Super Franchises to think about...

Cited. Got 16 weeks and a flogging.

Looked intentional, the way he drove the leg back. If it was an SA forward there would have been a 40 page thread by now with expert video analysis and a report from Interpol.

Agreed on the tests. However, SA and NZ don't want more local games. Never have. The derbies happen in the Currie Cup and ITM Cup. Mroe of the same will bore crowds eventually. SA and NZ gain absolutely nothing from this new structure.

http://www.supersport.com/rugby/super15/news/100914/Super_15_will_impact_WC_performance Interesting article. She Super teams have a real challenge in mixing up their teams.

Paarl I think they have to change it. The Super 15 is set in stone. They have no choice now. Let's see what they come up with.

Fair enough. There's too much rugby as it is but maybe with the lack of a second tier comp there could be room for a series after the 3N leading into the EOYT to get players match fit. Questions: Would players and coaches care as much about this as the RL people do? The boofheads get right into...

Why do you want to be like league?

Sent second string test squad for the away leg of the 3N.