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If they want tall timber at 6 my backrow would probably be 6 Vaa'i 7 Papali'i 8 Sotutu. Cane isn't all that IMO and Ardies strengths aren't so pronounced at test level. But anyway - ultimately a good problem to have for the Darkness. 'wah look at all these amazing players we cant fit into the...

It's actually kinda insane a player of Sotutus quality is left out. Another demonstration of the difference in depth between us and NZ.

Few names on the bench you woulda thought would start.

The most exciting part of that team announcement is Dismal reaction to it.

Why 7 on the bench, ever. Barrett at 6 is hilarity.

I mean, you can just change where you pack to suit the situation.

I would be surprised if its both Valetini and Wilson. I expect to see Leota at 6.

They look happy to be there

This is going to be a long fucking tour for Ireland I think.

Out for a year?

Nah - he's in form and makes sense to stick around and see if he can earn a RWC spot. If he fails he can spend the rest of his career playing touch in Japan for double salary.

I'm not saying we have no chance. I think we will break the losing streak at the very least. If we do win the series it will be a huge success for Rennie.

They are going to have a hard time winning period. Their pack is, particularly without Tupou, better and more experienced than ours and as Fatprop is always at pains to point out, this is where the game is won or lost. I would take Lawes and Itoje over any of our 4, 5, 6 options. As much as...

He'll be aiming to play for Japan, surely

Bugger.

Who's the TH understudy to AAA at the Brumbies? He's looked good.

Second best would be a pretty huge achievement, actually.

Is Godwin gone? The Forces recruiting is somewhat underwhelming. They should have both cap space and actual money to get some overseas talent back but so far they've just got Rodda and some scraps.

Cheiks isn't a bad coach clearly (or wasn't). World Cup final plus a couple of titles with different teams. He was a bad coach for the Wallabies by the end though. Ideally he would have moved on sooner but there were a variety of factors preventing that.

Plus his W/L will be a little skewed given half our matches have been against the blighted Darkness.