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And Tate has also spent time on the wings for Reds.

To be fair, Matt Cockbain was more than just a toiler. The Wallabies would kill for a Matt Cockbain type right now.

That’s an interesting angle, but I don’t think it stacks up overall as a strategy. Tupou is head and shoulder our best prop. I want him playing 60 minutes at least.

Mathematically I think the Rebels could still get into 2nd too - although it would seem pretty unlikely at this point. Brumbies would have to lose both remaining games without a bonus point and Rebels would need to win all 3 and get bonus points.

His overall form is certainly a concern.

Agree - but you do then create a banana skin situation with your last game against the Force in Perth.

??? On Friday night? Swinton didn’t play. Edit : if you mean the first round, I complete agree. I don’t mind if Valetini outpointed him, but you at least want Swinton up for the fight.

I think the issue here though Froggy is who is the Wallaby 6? Swinton definitely has his shortcomings, and I wouldn’t have him in my squad either, but every other candidate has their own shortcomings. The door is very open for one of the players to grab the jersey. How much value is placed on...

Brumbies will be very dangerous after their disappointing game (by their lofty standards) on Friday night. Reds will be keen to nail down top spot and keep the momentum going. It’s going to be a long week waiting for this one - hopefully there is plenty of promotion of the game and some...

Some overall reflections on the game - - the Reds seem to have reigned in their high offload game a bit and it is paying dividends. They are building their attack instead of really trying to press the point. Less razzle dazzle and more patience. Which is great. - defence has been really strong...

I guess I see it the other way. I don’t see him trying hard enough.

Wow - I don’t know whether your just a master at this or just completely lack self awareness. In either case, well played.

Leadership comes in different forms. Tahs coaches would love to have Swinton out there leading with his actions. I don’t care if he doesn’t say a word. I definitely wouldn’t burden him with captaincy. He can be that type of player - he showed that against the Reds & the ABs. After his...

Why would you bench Tupou other then as work load management?

Maybe who he needs to talk to then is Allan Border.

He’s 24 now Derp, has been around Super rugby for 4 yrs, has a test cap and has every opportunity to stand up and show the kind of leadership that the young Tahs team needs.

This is it for me. This year I haven’t seen him do anything of note. I take the point that he is in a poor team, but I haven’t seen him step up and lead from the front like you’d want a test forward to do, and particularly one whose game style is to take on the opposition pack. There has been...

I see the logic. If you don’t actually do anything all game you can hardly be criticised for making mistakes.

I still have Valetini as my front runner for the Wallabies 6. But I see why there are doubts and I just find it odd that some here seem to feel he is beyond reproach.

Okay - but if that’s the measure you’re going to insist on both of them would still be in front of Valetini’s effort yesterday.