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Note posts # 492 and 493 from subbies supporters. I can also tell you that over many years that Forest have resisted any attempts to have a closer relationship with Manly. I offer no criticism of this, they have a good club, well-run, providing a good standard of rugby and serve their...

This only really works if the NRC goes. It's what goes on above SS that needs to be worked out before any meaningful adjustments can be made to SS formats. EDIT: But broadly speaking I agree with the thrust of your suggestion. Water polo operates a similar structure with a national league...

I know they would, which is why I have previously noted that if a club is to be brought in they they will need significant and sustained support from RA/NSWRU i.e. 20 years worth. Otherwise we would witness a repeat of the Penrith disaster. I simply pointed out in response to another post...

I wasn't suggesting that anyone be forced to do anything. I wasn't suggesting that they "just land in subbies" either. You've put both of those interpretations on what I said, and if I may say, they are completely at odds to a plain English reading of what I said. I'd hope that between...

The University of Western Sydney already have a rugby club which fields 4 grades and plays out of the Hawkesbury campus.

Results from Sat 28 April Wests 30 def Randwick 12 Easts 16 def Manly 9 Warringah 87 def Penrith 5 Eastwood 30 def Souths 28 Norths 32 def Uni 26 Parra 37 def Gordon 26 All close but one game.

The only people not getting the message are those in charge. And a their ever dimishing cheer squad. Although there is some hope from an unlikely source (the NSWRU). Words at the moment, but the penny might have dropped. We'll soon see if deeds match words. NSW Rugby boss Andrew Hore says...

Dead rubber.

Think you'll find that Malcolm Knox is from Sydney and the article is from the SMH and reprinted in The Age and other Fairfax publications. I'm not sure that we're beyond the point of no return, but for every year that we continue on the current course (i.e. super rugby involvement and neglect...

Pretty much what we've been saying here. The decline of interest in Super Rugby over the past few years is well documented. The excision of the Western Force was meant, by some logic, to stanch the bleeding, but it only seems to have opened another vein. Rather than concentrate the depth of...

We're all lost, he's even lost himself.

On scholarships/bursaries/otherwise recruited at league schools, depriving other boys of the opportunity to play schoolboy rep league?

In terms of Forest and Savers, I can tell you that both clubs fiercely guard their independence. Manly Savers are perfectly happy in the one team subbies competition, it suits the ethos of the club perfectly. Forest have a very well run club, which broadly mirrors an SS club with 4 grades and...

I'd hope that between them that the SRU and NSW Subbies could organise somewhere for them to play.

I'd heard that if and when they go it will be immediate. i.e. play one Saturday, gone the next.

Or deprived of a position in the Newington 1sts or in GPS rep teams, etc

You're advocating the very system (or non-system) of junior development that has failed us. Let other sports and other organisations (i.e. schools) do the heavy lifting in development and then try to cherry pick some talent. And you provide an example from the 1960s to support your case - and...

A simple question, with a very complex answer. In brief not enough resources went to grass roots development when there were green shoots - particularly in growth areas of Sydney. Too much emphasis on the elite professional game and not enough thought given to the base. The base has now...

This is the sting in the tail of your plan. It's a sting which could well kill off one of the last remaining functioning parts of Australian rugby.

But people don't want to leverage off its success. People want to change it into something else - without any evidence that the change will bring improvement. The strength of the SS is its format - you get the whole community to the same place on the same day to watch graded games. Colts play...