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Neither are we, that's the point. That's what we are trying to change We need a product in Australia that Australians want to watch

Might be the funniest comparison in the history of this forum. Super Rugby Juggernauts the Rebels & The Force. Edge of your seat stuff

Yeah all those empty stadiums really speak to the passion people have for Super Rugby

Yes, the champions cup is the best of the best competing, but tribalism, rivalries and fan passion is built in Domestic Leagues like the Top 14. You wont beat the atmosphere of a Toulouse vs Castres match anywhere

Yes I have heard of the NPC, I watch it in fact. I watched Hawkes Bay take the shield off Wellington in front of about 7 people. Every NPC game costs around $200,000 to run and no one goes to the games. Hence why your own CEO said "The NPC is not fit for purpose" And he's right. NZ should have...

1. In its current format, no. I want a Champions cup featuring NZ, Aus, Japanese, South American and PI teams as well as a domestic comp 2. We might as well stop this conversation as you clearly don’t understand how European club comps operate. The Champions Cup is very important, but is no more...

These are some grim options. Might as well bring in Kieran Crowley and we can bond over our shared failures at the World Cup

You’ve obviously never watched a Top 14 game

It’s like talking to a brick wall 1. We want to take part in an annual, international competition. A Southern Hemisphere Champions cup. We have only mentioned it 100 times ffs 2. The top 14 is in no way a third tier comp, and winning that is just as important as winning the champions cup. Same...

This is some NZ hatred right here

The Wallabies team that lost to Italy featured 9 Brumbies players and Tupou, Paisami & Marky Mark (Nawaqanitawase)

France & England

The only person rubbishing opinions here is you And you’re the one that hasn’t actually offered any solution other than ‘I read this one article about Steve Anderson where he never actually lays out any plan he just moans about not being listened to’

Shhh, that doesn’t fit the ‘Rennie was McQueen 2.0’ narrative

You’re just being wilfully ignorant at this point, as I and many others have said it wouldn’t be just playing each other, there would be a multi nations cup on top, exactly like they do in Europe We aren’t competitive now ffs, so I hardly think we can get any less competitive. First things...

Giving Steve Anderson credit for the current Irish success would be like giving Eddie Jones credit if the Wallabies are good in 15 years time ffs

Because a new domestic comp would be instead of Super Rugby, not below it You might be the only person in the universe this unwavering passionate about Super Rugby

Both NZ and Australia are better developing their own Domestic cup and then building a Southern Hemisphere Cup comp on top Why would a domestic comp be 3rd tier? That’s just a bitter comment without anything to back it up

NPC is great as a development tool, but is a black hole financially, which is why NZR CEO said it wasn’t fit for purpose Steve Tew decided way back when that the only thing that mattered in NZ was the all blacks and since then everything below that has suffered

Agree to disagree on Rennie's culpability But totally agree the next man up has a tough job on his hands