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  1. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The FRU aren't a heavy hitter - the French clubs are and they pretty much do what they want now anyway - look how that has worked out for their national team. The RFU make a fortune out of Twickenham. SH tests are nice, but they still make a fortune out of the six nations, and realistically I...
  2. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    These people don't give a shit who Forrest is. They don't give a shit that the ARU are useless right now. They give a shit about maintaining the order they preside over. They are basically the ARU on a huge scale. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  3. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Those domestic leagues are also where their millionaires and billionaires already play out their rugby fantasies. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  4. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The power in world rugby isn't in the Southern Hemisphere. You forget there are a number of unions doing quite nicely up north who will not stand by and watch the status quo be rocked. If you think WR (World Rugby) wouldn't back the ARU cutting a rebel union if it meant a possible rocking of the boat...
  5. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

  6. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    But they do. All the leagues operate within the control of the national unions and therefore are implicitly sanctioned. Non-sanctioned comps form a threat to the national unions as a whole, so they will resist them. Forrest mentioned an international comp - where does he get teams and players if...
  7. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    If the ARU don't want another league to happen I think it is fairly likely that World Rugby will also refuse to back it. This is the main difference to super league - a wealthy and powerful international body. Rebel leagues pose a threat to all tier one unions. It will be very hard to get...
  8. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    You are actually technically right because at this point RugbyWA are seeking leave to appeal. There is no automatic legal right to appeal against an arbitration award. Arbitration is a legally binding process and governed by legislation. Appeal is only available if the parties agree to it before...
  9. stoff

    Force 2018

    Brumbies? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  10. stoff

    Force 2018

    Like they would give 45 minutes to the draft - this is a nsw/qld meeting! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  11. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    This is an appeal with extremely limited scope. The facts are now the facts. This isn't a new court case. There is no opportunity to introduce new evidence. The appeal of granted, is limited to an obvious error of law. Ie how the arbitrator applied the law to the facts. Sent from my iPhone...
  12. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Like Braveheart alluded to above, at that point it comes down to very technical legal argument. All I can say for sure is that the arbitrator has seen enough that he has been able to come to the opinion there is a new agreement. A judge will get to make a call on whether that was obviously wrong...
  13. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    That it's a press release not a legal document. Whatever instrument was used for the new or amended Rv deal is the only thing that matters. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  14. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I'm not a lawyer but spend around 50% of my professional life dealing with contracts and contract law so have a solid grasp of the concepts. The issue is not with the contract. If the Force had wanted absolute security they would have insisted on a clause that guaranteed them a place until 2020...
  15. stoff

    Rebels 2018

    Perhaps the ARU view the $20m over ten years as a hedge against devaluation of their matches, especially given they knew they were effectively removing one market which would lower competitive tension. Let's be honest - a bled today is a lower draw then it was five years ago. WA seem to have...
  16. stoff

    Rebels 2018

    The forum voted this guy wallaby player of the year last year. For a time he was considered the best halfback in the world. He has a truckload of experience, has won titles. Getting Genia here is a positive step Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  17. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I haven't seen the decision so can't say. I would assume there was sound rationale behind the decision of the arbitrator. The facts are no longer up for dispute. If the judge has a different opinion to the arbitrator that would make it more likely to be considered obvious. Sent from my iPhone...
  18. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The criteria is an obvious error of law. If leave to appeal is granted it will be limited to discussion around that error of law, so limited to whether the arbitrators reasons for thinking so are deemed correct or not. This will not be the show trial many are calling for. It will be technical...
  19. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Actually they are officially out pending getting back in, or not. The ARU are prevented from taking further action by the injunction. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  20. stoff

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I just don't understand why he ARU wouldn't have quietly made official notification over the weekend to SANZAAR that the Force were out. I suspect SANZAAR are quietly and free from legal restraint finalising the arrangements for the 15 team comp. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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