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The SA conspiracy part is bullshit. What I said was Elstadt did a dangerous tackle and the SA ref gave only a penalty, no yellow, no white. And I posted a youtube of said glaring tackle. Still no citation either. It isn't a conspiracy accusation, its an ac cusatiin the ref was either...

PB I have seen nothing of this, are you sure you aren't thinking of the post match yellow card and suspension he got in June?

Quite right, that is human nature, look at the whinging we are seeing about how the Super Rugby points table is calculated. My beef is consistency and fairness. To be honest I don't think we fight for our rights hard enough. That is why I posted the Elstadt tackle earlier in the thread. A...

Er those weren't my conclusions, work rate was a big issue for me before those vids and if anything Scott's analysis reinforced it as a real issue. Ath.

I'll wait till its official. Can't see it being in anyone's interest to fail to get within a whisker of an agreement at this late stage. Find it very hard to believe force management didn't flush out what Cheika was looking for and come back with a sensible offer to meet it.

My question is how long will Elstadt get? No yellow card, no white card and so far, no citation.

So if you have ant, harris and taps gtg who misses out? Expect most here will say Harris. Not me, I really like what I have seen off Quade last couple of weeks his time at Wallabies has lifted his confidence. Nice problem to have but not good for aussie rugby to have any of them riding pine.

You're point was to suggest our system had created a JOC (James O'Connor), beale, and cooper who rely on others to facilitate so they can exploit their x-factor was it not? Anyways to get back OT, yes great post Gnostic.

I think they deserve a lot of credit. This year they weren't good enough to win. They put a lot of pressure on themselves and let what this year amounts to a flat track bully team run them over. Next year they will make the finals and be anything from also rans to contenders I reckon. Up to...

I won't belabour the point but to characterise Cooper as a selfish 5/8 is untrue, and suspect re Beale. Nor is it clear to me how the comment advances discussion about the Tahs. Apologies for being so direct IS, I just think it is a poor analogy.

er.. see page one!

Yeah Slim, Mogg can be a bit directionless, but he has a lot of potential. And there are a lot of players who would get shown up by players like Piutau 1on1 and Stowers for that matter.

Slim, did you watch the Stormers Rebs game? Those two got through a power of work all game, and were a big part of what the Rebels achieved.

my list of players I'd like to see get more exposure; Rebels Jones Stirzaker Force Godwin Mafi Brumbies Fardy (or AWH) Mogg Reds AWH (or Fardy) Harris Tahs Douglas Foley I'd add Speight and Vuna as to watch closely in 2013. In arms of the test22 I'd like to see Dennis...

I'd settle for less inane questions that start with 'obviously'. Canno, if you think it needs obviously you are asking questions we already know the answers to.

Nope, not kidding, he is starting to show a nice mix of skills, reads play well, tackles positively, and is a better kicker than Berrick. If he keeps building his game he will challenge McCabe in my opinion. Of course McCabe is building too, so hard to say what next year will be like. Berrick...

Not bollocks, if it can be reasonably argued the player tried to tackle legitimately, only to have the tacklee drop too low and the tackler was already committed, it is a significant mitigation or even excuse surely. Whether the lawyers can argue that reasonably here is a separate Q. FWIW I...

Yep, Harris maybe a never was, but he's building damn nicely at the Reds isn't he. If he keeps building his game, it won't be Barnes McCabe has to worry about.

yes Stirzaker really stood up well.

Daresay there are some Tahs execs very keen to insulate their hotseats by procuring Cheika. Speaking of coaches, how about Lam sending up that post match rocket about staffing resources, bet that made a few kiwi suits choke on their sauv blanc!