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I have no doubt that the ARU would have been as cautious, if not more so.

SA has a magnitude more quality players in Europe and Japan. It's not just "a couple of locks." Who would you pick from Europe other than three locks, McMahon and Kerevi? There would be no justifiction outside those names. Of the 23 RWC final squad, 15 are contracted overseas. The next tier...

Look I agree they player welfare issue is a bit overblown. The logistics and selection issues are much bigger.

Yes. South African Rand is about 20 to the USD and a crumbling economy. You can pick a competitive bok 23 tomororw from NH players. What is your point?

You are ignoring the facts.

You seem to be adamant that you are point blank going to ignore the facts. Last attempt: 1. SANZAR negotiated with the 4 partners and everyone knew the facts 2. SA said sure we will try our best but a) we do not know if out guvment will let us out and b) we have no idea when we can train let...

Like what? Covid 20 instead of 19? A healthcare system that could cope? A non-corrupt political system and an economy not failing? Less than 70% of people starving in shanty towns? Dying to hear.

South African government... Think banana republic...

Ok I was trying hard to not do the usual but that's impossible these days. :( So the gov gave go-ahead on Saturday, why the holdup then?

True but had they been a bit better prepared I would have loved seeing a groups of youngsters being given a chance, even if the lost.

Some perspective, Ignoring facts seems to have become a disease these days. https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/boks-player-welfare-priority/

Who is Martin Gillingham.? I call bullshit. Nothing in SA media as fo now

Again, SA's participation was always open-ended and unconfirmed. Is SANZAAR felt at the time that was an issue they should have ended it then.

Bullshit. Now you're just being a dickhead. At the time of SANZAAR negations SA Rugby made it clear that it depends on 1. government clearance, and 2. whether the coaches feel they have a squad of fit enough players. Nobody is changing their minds no. SA Rugby has always made it clear...

Hang on. Weak reasons? They will not have access to Euro players until end week on November or later. Those players will not train with the squad until literally the third week of November, Japanese players are out of the question. They have had totally disrupted preparation. Did you...

If you think that equals a full Super Rugby tournament like you guys had, training for a test, and playing in 2 or three tests you are living in a dreamworld.

Go hell for leather for 50 minutes and sub him off.

How? They have had at most two now. Where are the other four coming from? Next weekend's local game and then? That's three. It is not just that. They started contact training less than three weeks ago. Then they must site in a hotel room for 2 weeks and somehow get match fit in 2 weeks...

This looked more like the Richie vs the Poms.

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