2023 & 2027 World Cup Bids

[ChargerWA]

I can see SA muscling up and taking the next available SH world cup 2027 before Argentina. It would be a damn shame if Argentina had to wait until 2035 considering how well the game is growing over there.

 

[Braveheart81]

There are just so many good things that would happen to rugby if the USA were to become a real competitive force...

Scheduled ad breaks during the game?

 

[Scoey]

You guys are missing the big issue though!!! If Argentina get the RWC in 2027, what the hell would our back line be? I think we should have:
9. Genia Jr
10. Cooper Jr
11....

 

[Braveheart81]

Archie Barnes at 10.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Italy 2023 and Argentina 2027. I think that's fair enough.

 

[Scoey]

Actually you're right. What was I thinking?!

 

[Jnor]

Archie Barnes at 10.

Won't he be a bit young?!

 

[kronic]

Looks like JON wants us to have a crack at one of them:

O'Neill wants ARU to consider another World Cup bid

ARU chief executive John O'Neill has urged the national governing body to seriously consider bidding for the 2023 or 2027 World Cup.

The ARU decided against bidding for the 2015 and 2019 cups, which will be hosted by England and Japan respectively, because of a financially prohibitive pound stg. 80 million ($120m) guarantee demanded by the IRB.

But O'Neill said the Australian government's financial support for FFA's unsuccessful bid to host the soccer World Cup encouraged him to think the ARU would receive similar backing.

"We considered a few years ago whether we should bid for 2015 or more particularly 2019," O'Neill said. "One of the reasons we didn't submit an expression of interest was we looked at the minimum guarantees, which were around pound stg. 80 million, required by Rugby World Cup Limited.

"The ARU board at the time didn't believe it had the financial clout to provide such a guarantee and there was no indication from federal or state governments that they would come to the party with anywhere near that sort of amount.

"Well, the reality is we were co-hosts of the World Cup in 1987. We hosted a great World Cup in 2003. "It is an event we could do extremely well."

O'Neill, who is a director of Rugby World Cup Limited, said Australia would need to start preparing a bid as early as 2014 or 2015 for a decision in 2017.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...er-world-cup-bid/story-e6frg7mf-1226438061659

 

[liquor box]

Looks like JON wants us to have a crack at one of them:

fair enough, it would be a bit tough if the government did not help support it after they tried to help soccer. Many of the Australian stadiums would be due for upgrades by then as they would be a bit dated and old.

 

[Lior]

I think either government of either persuasion would help out the ARU with a bid.

I think a 2027 bid would be a good idea. It could possibly be hosted with NZ, but it would be on the ARU's terms. Australia currently has the stadia to easily hold a great event like this especially with Perth now upgrading their stadium it would really be quite a good event. However stiff competition would come from South Africa who are very desperate to host again (the reality is NZ shouldn't have hosted it in 2011 and South Africa should have). But also Italy and Argentina would be able to put compelling bids in. Argentina would possess probably a really good chance with their growing region as well as their proximity to other countries (this comes with the debut of rugby 7's in Rio in 2016). So Argentina I think would be a good decision for 2023 but who knows they might just employ a safe bet after a risky Japanese bid by giving it to South Africa.

No doubt though that the IRB will take an Argentinian bid very serious as I think it would have hugely positive ramifications on the game.

 

[kronic]

fair enough, it would be a bit tough if the government did not help support it after they tried to help soccer. Many of the Australian stadiums would be due for upgrades by then as they would be a bit dated and old.

Hmmm... not entirely.

Lets have a look at the 2003 venues and forecast forward:

ANZ Stadium - Sydney - No changes needed
Allianz Stadium - Sydney - No changes needed
Bluetongue Stadium - Gosford - No changes needed, wouldn't use it TBH
WIN Stadium - Gong - Recently upgraded
Suncorp Stadium - Brisbane - No changes needed
Dairy Farmers Stadium - Townsville - New stadium in the pipeline
Etihad Stadium - Melbourne - No changes needed
Pattersons Stadium - Perth - New stadium in 2017
Canberra Stadium - Canberra - TBA
Adelaide Oval - Adeialde - Undergoing upgrade
Aurora Stadium - Launceston - Recently upgraded

You could essentially look at:
AAMI Park - Melbourne - Expansion?
Energy Australia Stadium - Newcastle - Recently upgraded
Hindmarsh Stadium - Adelaide - Expansion?
Skilled Park/Metricon Stadium - Gold Coast

 

[Swat]

You guys are missing the big issue though!!! If Argentina get the RWC in 2027, what the hell would our back line be? I think we should have:
9. Genia Jr
10. Cooper Jr
11..

11. JOC (James O'Connor), he'll only be 26.

 

[AngrySeahorse]

Won't he be a bit young?!

Hey there has been some talk that the fight on performance enhancing drugs is useless & that to level the playing field they may just be made legal. If that ends up being the case we'll have kids the size of the hulk playing for Oz. Talk about Brave New World, Brave scary new world. Would not want to see it happen but I don't count anything out any more

 

[Braveheart81]

At the 2023 RWC, maybe we'll be captained by James O'Connor, he'll be bald and resemble Stirling Mortlock and he'll be advertising Swisse Glucosamine Joint Repair pills.

 

[AngrySeahorse]

I don't know that Ireland could afford the world cup of checkers, let alone rugby.


.but I'd love to see one of then go to Italy with a bunch of pool matches in the eastern European countries.

I agree with you Richo but the West of Europe is not entirely won yet. There are other countries that I would like to see get games. I would not mind the idea of a "European RWC" or having an "Italian RWC" - where Pool games would be spread to surrounding countries. Poland, Germany (Germany in particular has pretty darn good stadia), Spain, Portugal, Sweden, etc. Lots of countries not out East but still good countries to have Rugby games scheduled in addition to the East.

I think the 'holistic' approach is really good. You can include nations from lesser tiers & give them some air time so people around the world can learn about Rugby in that particular country. For instance if we had an Italian based world cup & did a pool game in Poland then Foxtel could do a bit of a story on Rugby in Poland. I think the lower tiers at times may feel a bit out of it if they don't qualify for the RWC. This way it could be made into a real festival of Rugby. I'm pretty sure fox has done similar type stories to this in the past & Total Rugby def does it but I'd like to see a real emphasis on it come RWC time. The worlds eyes are on you so take full advantage.

I have said it elsewhere that I would love to see the England v Germany rivalry come to Rugby. Germany is aiming to get to the world cup in Japan as a minnow, they are a 3rd Tier nation & will certainly need a big improvement to do that. Not sure if they'll make it TBH. However when I think of the potential for the sport to take off there, the stadia, the centralised spot they have in Europe, the rivialry with England - there is a lot to like about Germany in regards to what they could bring to Rugby. Lastly, there is a fair proportion of persons with German ancestry in Aus, USA, etc it could open up an opportunity for those who don't make their national team to play in a RWC - Adam Byrnes for Russia being one of many examples of that opportunity.

 

[kronic]

Would be food to have the Eastern European nations onboard.

Hopefully they bring some of their ultra tactics, big displays etc. leave the violence and racism out though clearly.

 

[Richo]

AS, you make good points. But I mostly just want to be able to justify a family trip to the RWC... and having it in Italy might be my best bet after France.

 

[Forcefield]

You could essentially look at:
AAMI Park - Melbourne - Expansion?
Energy Australia Stadium - Newcastle - Recently upgraded
Hindmarsh Stadium - Adelaide - Expansion?
Skilled Park/Metricon Stadium - Gold Coast

If they follow the same pattern of pools as the last RWC, you could use nib stadium. It is about to be upgraded and I think expanded to at least 25,000 seats. That would be enough for some of the smaller pool games.

 

[Badger]

With the current financial situation in Europe, would many of the mainland nations be able to come up with the funding for a bid? If bids were to be made today, probably looking at South Africa, USA/Canada, Argentina and perhaps, Russia.

 

[kronic]

If they follow the same pattern of pools as the last RWC, you could use nib stadium. It is about to be upgraded and I think expanded to at least 25,000 seats. That would be enough for some of the smaller pool games.

True. Crowds:
- Boks vs Uruguay: 16k
- England vs Georgia: 25k
- Samoa vs Uruguay: 25k
- South Africa vs England: 38k