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ISA 2025

ISAfootyfan

Frank Row (1)
Congratulations on Oaks 1st XV getting through but I have to say... it would have been great to see Pius get up in that game. They've had a great run this year and it would have been a fitting end to their time. I hope their perfromances inspire the rest of the school to lift.
Talking to some Pius parents on saturday, seemed that there were injuries across the park, believe the #10, #13 and a prop or second row (cant remember was out). Also extremely unlucky for the boys from chatswood with a disallowed try, that lead to oakhill scoring
 

Wallyworld

Bob McCowan (2)
Talking to some Pius parents on saturday, seemed that there were injuries across the park, believe the #10, #13 and a prop or second row (cant remember was out). Also extremely unlucky for the boys from chatswood with a disallowed try, that lead to oakhill scoring
Pius robbed. Pure & simple.
 

Forwardpack101

Peter Burge (5)
@DaSchmooze as you are quite knowledgeable across the age groups. Do you think you could give your best few players from each school to look out for from the 16s age group going into opens next year. And an early team prediction if you have any.
This goes for anyone who has knowledge on the 16s
 

rugbyfootyguy

Stan Wickham (3)
Pius robbed. Pure & simple.
Coming from a neutral fan.....I personally can't agree with the statement that Pius were robbed. If you rewatch the footage it was a clear penalty against Pius, due to the number 8 not placing the ball when going for the second effort.

Along with that, I thought the reffing wasn't too bad considering the ref was probably from Bathurst and used to reffing country kids oppose to Sydney kids. Overall it was a highly entertaining game and I can't wait for the grand-final rematch between Oakhill and St Augustines. And I can't forget about Pius, they had a great season and I hope they continue this form next year. @Wallyworld, I apologies and I don't look to start and arguments, but this is just my point of view of how I saw the game. Just as much as you have your point of view.

"Play the ball, not the man" - Joker
 

Agent

Tom Lawton (22)
Along with that, I thought the reffing wasn't too bad considering the ref was probably from Bathurst and used to reffing country kids oppose to Sydney kids.

Sorry @rugbyfootyguy but what has the refs place of residence got to do with anything? Are refs west of the mountains somehow inferior or different to the 'magical and amazing' Sydney referees? Or are you suggesting that some bum got pulled out of a local pub and handed a whistle, or maybe simply that the quality of referees depends on which postcode they come from? Either way I sure am pleased you thought the reffing wasn't too bad considering....
And while I'm asking questions..... can you explain how refereeing country kids is any different to Sydney kids? Do they play a different game in Sydney to what we play out here in the boondocks? Maybe you were just trying to point of that country kids are: more down to earth, happier, friendlier, politer, wittier, talented, handsome, and overall more enjoyable to ref that Sydney kids?
I thought we all played the same 'game they play in heaven' but maybe not. I'm confused. :rolleyes:
 

DaSchmooze

Vay Wilson (31)
@DaSchmooze as you are quite knowledgeable across the age groups. Do you think you could give your best few players from each school to look out for from the 16s age group going into opens next year. And an early team prediction if you have any.
This goes for anyone who has knowledge on the 16s
Thanks for the ups FP101 but to be honest I wouldn't have a clue who's who at any school and I try to keep it that way. I know there's plenty of pundits here and in other threads that like to pass comment on individual players but my interest in schoolboy footy is from a program perspective and not the individuals themselves. I don't know how helpful it is singling players out by name for praise and especially not for criticism.

My knowledge of how certain younger teams are going is only based upon the results they've had so far in the year so I get more accurate with my predictions as the season progresses.

Sorry I cant be of more help
 

LookLongPlayShort

Peter Burge (5)
Coming from a neutral fan.....I personally can't agree with the statement that Pius were robbed. If you rewatch the footage it was a clear penalty against Pius, due to the number 8 not placing the ball when going for the second effort.

Along with that, I thought the reffing wasn't too bad considering the ref was probably from Bathurst and used to reffing country kids oppose to Sydney kids. Overall it was a highly entertaining game and I can't wait for the grand-final rematch between Oakhill and St Augustines. And I can't forget about Pius, they had a great season and I hope they continue this form next year. @Wallyworld, I apologies and I don't look to start and arguments, but this is just my point of view of how I saw the game. Just as much as you have your point of view.

"Play the ball, not the man" - Joker
I have seen him Referee in Sydney this year, so that is not the case.
Sorry @rugbyfootyguy but what has the refs place of residence got to do with anything? Are refs west of the mountains somehow inferior or different to the 'magical and amazing' Sydney referees? Or are you suggesting that some bum got pulled out of a local pub and handed a whistle, or maybe simply that the quality of referees depends on which postcode they come from? Either way I sure am pleased you thought the reffing wasn't too bad considering....
And while I'm asking questions..... can you explain how refereeing country kids is any different to Sydney kids? Do they play a different game in Sydney to what we play out here in the boondocks? Maybe you were just trying to point of that country kids are: more down to earth, happier, friendlier, politer, wittier, talented, handsome, and overall more enjoyable to ref that Sydney kids?
I thought we all played the same 'game they play in heaven' but maybe not. I'm confused. :rolleyes:
In my opinion. The refereeing in the central west is subpar and well below standard. What would happen in a Sydney game would be completely different in the country. Factors come into play, like skill, and to be honest, bias does play a factor. But also to mention, not having appointed touch judges at the 1xv level and especially in a semi-final is disgraceful. Pius did have many chances and failed to capitalise. Yes, some decisions could have gone Pius's way as well as Oakhill's , that is just Rugby.

Excited for St Augustine's v Oakhill. I have Augustine's 15+. The Forward pack is just too strong.
LLPS
 

AussieSchoolboyRugby

Allen Oxlade (6)
Thanks for the ups FP101 but to be honest I wouldn't have a clue who's who at any school and I try to keep it that way. I know there's plenty of pundits here and in other threads that like to pass comment on individual players but my interest in schoolboy footy is from a program perspective and not the individuals themselves. I don't know how helpful it is singling players out by name for praise and especially not for criticism.

My knowledge of how certain younger teams are going is only based upon the results they've had so far in the year so I get more accurate with my predictions as the season progresses.

Sorry I cant be of more help
I can possibly shed some light on this. I think when looking at the U16 age groups as usual you would assume Oakhill and Auggies to be the powerhouse teams, and on paper they definitely are with Oakhill having a large amount of players who played U15 next gen cup and U15 Waratahs last year in 2024. While Auggies also have a few notable players in the backs and forwards too. In both of these age groups they have both had key players move up into the 1sts with Riley Paki for Oakhill and Wilson Ruthven for Auggies. Pats also have a lot of talent in players like Angus Dillon, Alexander stewart and Hamish Malone. Now the underdogs in St Gregs, who no on expected to make the semis let alone beat Oakhill and make the grand final. Now I cant shed much light on Gregs apart for the three boys who were selected in the ISA u16 squads. These boys being Dustin Knott, Will o'connor, and Xavier young. Stannies and Kinross are also both very strong but being a sydney supporter i dont have much light to share on the country teams.
 

rugbyfootyguy

Stan Wickham (3)
Sorry @rugbyfootyguy but what has the refs place of residence got to do with anything? Are refs west of the mountains somehow inferior or different to the 'magical and amazing' Sydney referees? Or are you suggesting that some bum got pulled out of a local pub and handed a whistle, or maybe simply that the quality of referees depends on which postcode they come from? Either way I sure am pleased you thought the reffing wasn't too bad considering....
And while I'm asking questions..... can you explain how refereeing country kids is any different to Sydney kids? Do they play a different game in Sydney to what we play out here in the boondocks? Maybe you were just trying to point of that country kids are: more down to earth, happier, friendlier, politer, wittier, talented, handsome, and overall more enjoyable to ref that Sydney kids?
I thought we all played the same 'game they play in heaven' but maybe not. I'm confused. :rolleyes:
Hello Agent, It seems I may have pushed a button you didn't want pushed there......or did.

The answer is YES, the reffing between the central west area and the Sydney region is vastly different and I'm shocked to know you think it isn't. Like @LookLongPlayShort said, the refereeing in the central west is subpar and well below standard. What would happen in a Sydney game would be completely different in the country. Factors come into play, like skill, and to be honest, bias does play a factor. I made that comment in regard to that ref being from Bathurst as I assumed thats where he was from, and as most people on this forum would agree refs from Bathurst who typically ref Stannies game, don't have the best wrap. I don't look to start an argument but for you to think that there isn't a difference between the style of reffing in the central west area to the Sydney region, mate thats audacious.

You also started your comment with this,

"Sorry @rugbyfootyguy but what has the refs place of residence got to do with anything?"

Just wanted to point out theres actually a rule in World Rugby where home-nation refs aren't allowed to officiate if their home-nation are playing. Quite smart isn't it ?
 

Forwardpack101

Peter Burge (5)
I can possibly shed some light on this. I think when looking at the U16 age groups as usual you would assume Oakhill and Auggies to be the powerhouse teams, and on paper they definitely are with Oakhill having a large amount of players who played U15 next gen cup and U15 Waratahs last year in 2024. While Auggies also have a few notable players in the backs and forwards too. In both of these age groups they have both had key players move up into the 1sts with Riley Paki for Oakhill and Wilson Ruthven for Auggies. Pats also have a lot of talent in players like Angus Dillon, Alexander stewart and Hamish Malone. Now the underdogs in St Gregs, who no on expected to make the semis let alone beat Oakhill and make the grand final. Now I cant shed much light on Gregs apart for the three boys who were selected in the ISA u16 squads. These boys being Dustin Knott, Will o'connor, and Xavier young. Stannies and Kinross are also both very strong but being a sydney supporter i dont have much light to share on the country teams.
Do you have any insight to these Pats boys as it seems they’ve had a strong age group knocking off Augs Barker Oakhill and Waverley across the last two years
 

Wallyworld

Bob McCowan (2)
Coming from a neutral fan.....I personally can't agree with the statement that Pius were robbed. If you rewatch the footage it was a clear penalty against Pius, due to the number 8 not placing the ball when going for the second effort.

Along with that, I thought the reffing wasn't too bad considering the ref was probably from Bathurst and used to reffing country kids oppose to Sydney kids. Overall it was a highly entertaining game and I can't wait for the grand-final rematch between Oakhill and St Augustines. And I can't forget about Pius, they had a great season and I hope they continue this form next year. @Wallyworld, I apologies and I don't look to start and arguments, but this is just my point of view of how I saw the game. Just as much as you have your point of view.

"Play the ball, not the man" - Joker
I’ve watched the video and he was knocked down but the tackle was not even nearly completed. Perfectly entitled to get up and run again. In fact if he had have placed the ball defenders would also be entitled to come from anywhere to pick it up. No ruck formed. Shocking decision that cost Pius their season.
 

AussieSchoolboyRugby

Allen Oxlade (6)
Do you have any insight to these Pats boys as it seems they’ve had a strong age group knocking off Augs Barker Oakhill and Waverley across the last two years
Unfortunatley I dont. I only know what I saw at Nsw schools and what I have heard. I Can tell you brief things, that include Hamish has an impressive kicking game, Angus is an impressive lineout jumper and a hard ball runner, and Alexander is a bolt of Lightning when he gets in to space with some slick footwork.
Apart from that I dont have much else to say about these boys if anyone else could give some other information about them that'd be great.
 

Tram Tracks

Allen Oxlade (6)
I have taken note of the Gen Blue 15's and look forward to studying team lists for the coming seasons on the off chance that multiple players make their way into certain schools programs in the not to distant future. How you can be mid pack in the juniors and the consistently win 16's and opens is a case study in itself.

My question is how the morale of those who have paid their fee's and done their time in the A programs for up to 3 years all of a sudden being bumped to the B's and 3rds in their final years? Winning is good for the school on paper, but is it good for the school rugby community as a whole?
 

Agent

Tom Lawton (22)
Hello Agent, It seems I may have pushed a button you didn't want pushed there......or did.

The answer is YES, the reffing between the central west area and the Sydney region is vastly different and I'm shocked to know you think it isn't. Like @LookLongPlayShort said, the refereeing in the central west is subpar and well below standard. What would happen in a Sydney game would be completely different in the country. Factors come into play, like skill, and to be honest, bias does play a factor. I made that comment in regard to that ref being from Bathurst as I assumed thats where he was from, and as most people on this forum would agree refs from Bathurst who typically ref Stannies game, don't have the best wrap. I don't look to start an argument but for you to think that there isn't a difference between the style of reffing in the central west area to the Sydney region, mate thats audacious.

You also started your comment with this,

"Sorry @rugbyfootyguy but what has the refs place of residence got to do with anything?"

Just wanted to point out theres actually a rule in World Rugby where home-nation refs aren't allowed to officiate if their home-nation are playing. Quite smart isn't it ?

I don't want to keep rattling on about this because it will be a never ending game of cat and mouse but I have to say a couple of things:
1. I've been around long enough to know that nobody is ever really happy with the job that refs do. Its a thankless job but the game does not happen without them. There is always someone that thinks they are getting the rough end of the stick whether its a highly qualified international ref or a bloke from the bush who has probably worked all week and refs a few games on a weekend for the good of the game.
2. There are always going to be different interpretations of rules from city to country, nation to nation, hemisphere to hemisphere. Players need to adjust their game to the refs call and interpretation and supporters need to cop this rather than call 'bias' because they feel things are not going their way. I also played enough to know that if a team is complaining about, or to, the ref throughout a game that it doesn't take much for the ref to get the sh1t's with a particular team. Respect the ref, let your captain do the talking, pull your head in, and get on with the game.
3. We are talking about a game of schoolboy rugby so to quote World Rugby's rule around home-nation refs is audacious. Where should the ref have come from given the games were in Bathurst? The game you were referring to was a schoolboy game between 2 Sydney schools being refereed by a bloke who would highly likely have no attachment to either school. Also given the games were CAS / ISA semi's who organised the referees for the day? It may not have been the school that hosted the games.
 

stgregregorysfan

Frank Row (1)
Talking to some Pius parents on saturday, seemed that there were injuries across the park, believe the #10, #13 and a prop or second row (cant remember was out). Also extremely unlucky for the boys from chatswood with a disallowed try, that lead to oakhill scoring
I can possibly shed some light on this. I think when looking at the U16 age groups as usual you would assume Oakhill and Auggies to be the powerhouse teams, and on paper they definitely are with Oakhill having a large amount of players who played U15 next gen cup and U15 Waratahs last year in 2024. While Auggies also have a few notable players in the backs and forwards too. In both of these age groups they have both had key players move up into the 1sts with Riley Paki for Oakhill and Wilson Ruthven for Auggies. Pats also have a lot of talent in players like Angus Dillon, Alexander stewart and Hamish Malone. Now the underdogs in St Gregs, who no on expected to make the semis let alone beat Oakhill and make the grand final. Now I cant shed much light on Gregs apart for the three boys who were selected in the ISA u16 squads. These boys being Dustin Knott, Will o'connor, and Xavier young. Stannies and Kinross are also both very strong but being a sydney supporter i dont have much light to share on the country teams.
the st gregorys 16 As have shaped up very well, with their new boys they got this year including the twins from wagga the starting front rows have really shaped this team, semi final at all saints last Saturday was very good, amziah scored one of great tries, latest recruit tyden hennessey has sloted stright into the hooker position to help the boys get the job done, for the boys that have been their since the start, travis munro, will oconnor and dustin not, alonzo letti xavier young have malted this team together, the hard working forwards that give it their all, lachy oconnor, and mason mogaloti, and harry williams always securing the ball, as an old gregs boy i am very proud to say they have the grandfinal,
 
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